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Toronto residents oppose Ford’s use of notwithstanding clause: Poll

Charlemagne

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Toronto residents oppose Ford’s use of notwithstanding clause: Poll

By STEFANIE MAROTTA
Staff Reporter

Tues., Sept. 18, 2018

Most Toronto residents strongly oppose Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s use of the notwithstanding clause to try to slash the size of city council by nearly half, a new Mainstreet Research poll shows.

With just over a month before the Oct. 22 municipal election, the Progressive Conservatives are pushing to pass Bill 31, the Efficient Local Government Act, that would reduce city council from 47 seats to 25.

The polling firm found that 65 per cent of Toronto residents oppose the premier’s move to use the constitutional override clause, with nearly 56 per cent saying they strongly disapprove.

“Make no mistake about it: Doug Ford is on the wrong side of public opinion when it comes to his use of the notwithstanding clause,” Quito Maggi, President and CEO of Mainstreet Research, said in a news release.

Further to the controversial use of the clause, more than 55 per cent of respondents said they disapprove of the decision to eliminate council seats, with 46 per cent saying they strongly disagree.

This staunch objection to both issues stretches consistently across Toronto, including Scarborough and Ford’s home neighbourhood, Etobicoke.

The only exception was North York, where pollsters found a narrower divide between those who strongly approve and those who denounce the moves.

In the lead-up to the municipal election, voters are concerned about accountability and transparency, the poll shows. When asked about their top priorities, respondents ranked the topic in third place at 13.4 per cent out of nine categories, trailing crime and safety at 16 per cent and housing affordability at 21.3 per cent.

The poll also dug into mayoral candidate Jennifer Keesmaat’s suggestion that Toronto should become autonomous from the province. On July 26, the same day Ford announced Bill 5, the Better Local Government Act that was struck down as unconstitutional a week ago by Ontario Superior Court Justice Edward Belobaba, the former city planner tweeted the word “secession.”

Even with Torontonians opposing the Ford government’s decision, residents disagree with the idea of Toronto seceding from the province. Forty-three per cent strongly disapproved when asked if Toronto should act as an autonomous city within Canada.

“Keesmaat was right to walk back her idea for Toronto secession because Toronto voters are almost as opposed to the notion as the premier using the notwithstanding clause,” Maggi said.

The Ontario government could pass the Bill 31 as early as Thursday.

The survey was conducted on Sept. 15 and 16 among a sample of 802 adults living in Toronto. The margin of error for the poll is plus or minus 3.46 percentage points and is considered accurate 19 times out of 20.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/09/18/toronto-residents-oppose-fords-use-of-notwithstanding-clause-poll.html
 

essguy_

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I'd be interested in a National Poll regarding this issue. Pretty sure that Nationally people would be opposed to using such a powerful clause for such a personal and (in the grand scheme of things) trivial issue. Further, it was so unnecessary for Ford to do it this way. So many options to do it so that there was NO Constitutional issue. Eg: 1. Campaign upon doing this. 2. Since he didn't - introduce legislation that would take effect for the NEXT election (and even have it apply via some population density formula for ALL municipalities in our Province). 3. Postpone the election for 3 - 6 months (perfectly within his powers) and do 2.

This was an inappropriate use of the clause and an abuse of power. Even more so when there were alternatives which Ford was either too stupid to consider or too hell bent on revenge on his old Toronto City Council foes to care.
 

bver_hunter

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Once again the Ontarians were not informed about this whole debacle during Dumb DOFO's campaign. No wonder his platform promises were rushed through at the last minute. This idiot is going to carry out certain legislations based on impulse!! Only his right wing supporters on this board seem to argue for his case, stupid as it may seem.
 

Polaris

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Fake news.

Doug Ford did the right thing.

His base will never forget this, and will support him fully. Unlike John Tory, who no one really knows what he is doing.

SmartTrack. The only thing smart about that was that it got him elected.

The contrast cannot be more stark. You want someone like Ford, who actually did something. Someone like Tory who does as little as possible in fear of whatever. Or the usual suspects on the left, who always doing the same tax, tax, tax and more tax.
 

Boober69

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Toronto residents oppose Ford’s use of notwithstanding clause: Poll

By STEFANIE MAROTTA
Staff Reporter

Tues., Sept. 18, 2018

Most Toronto residents strongly oppose Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s use of the notwithstanding clause to try to slash the size of city council by nearly half, a new Mainstreet Research poll shows.

With just over a month before the Oct. 22 municipal election, the Progressive Conservatives are pushing to pass Bill 31, the Efficient Local Government Act, that would reduce city council from 47 seats to 25.

The polling firm found that 65 per cent of Toronto residents oppose the premier’s move to use the constitutional override clause, with nearly 56 per cent saying they strongly disapprove.

“Make no mistake about it: Doug Ford is on the wrong side of public opinion when it comes to his use of the notwithstanding clause,” Quito Maggi, President and CEO of Mainstreet Research, said in a news release.

Further to the controversial use of the clause, more than 55 per cent of respondents said they disapprove of the decision to eliminate council seats, with 46 per cent saying they strongly disagree.

This staunch objection to both issues stretches consistently across Toronto, including Scarborough and Ford’s home neighbourhood, Etobicoke.

The only exception was North York, where pollsters found a narrower divide between those who strongly approve and those who denounce the moves.

In the lead-up to the municipal election, voters are concerned about accountability and transparency, the poll shows. When asked about their top priorities, respondents ranked the topic in third place at 13.4 per cent out of nine categories, trailing crime and safety at 16 per cent and housing affordability at 21.3 per cent.

The poll also dug into mayoral candidate Jennifer Keesmaat’s suggestion that Toronto should become autonomous from the province. On July 26, the same day Ford announced Bill 5, the Better Local Government Act that was struck down as unconstitutional a week ago by Ontario Superior Court Justice Edward Belobaba, the former city planner tweeted the word “secession.”

Even with Torontonians opposing the Ford government’s decision, residents disagree with the idea of Toronto seceding from the province. Forty-three per cent strongly disapproved when asked if Toronto should act as an autonomous city within Canada.

“Keesmaat was right to walk back her idea for Toronto secession because Toronto voters are almost as opposed to the notion as the premier using the notwithstanding clause,” Maggi said.

The Ontario government could pass the Bill 31 as early as Thursday.

The survey was conducted on Sept. 15 and 16 among a sample of 802 adults living in Toronto. The margin of error for the poll is plus or minus 3.46 percentage points and is considered accurate 19 times out of 20.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/09/18/toronto-residents-oppose-fords-use-of-notwithstanding-clause-poll.html
802 people polled out of 3 million...yeah that's an accurate poll.
OMFG
 

Boober69

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Petty spite against the will of the people.
What a start to Ford's 'leadership'.
Before this bill was tabled, most Torontonians didn't know how many councillors there were.
No one cares except those whos opinions don't really matter...like the Opposition.
 

shack

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802 people polled out of 3 million...yeah that's an accurate poll.
OMFG
What is your expertise regarding polling and statistical analysis?
 

oldjones

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802 people polled out of 3 million...yeah that's an accurate poll.
OMFG
Good for you, going to the p[olling company's press release.

Accuracy depends on how representative they made the sample, and what margin of error they claimed. If you have nothing to say out about such specifics, you have nothing to say. If you can't believe that small a sample can be meaningful, you have a beef with the entire field of statistics and no reason to discuss polls, except to discount them all.

They claim:
The margin of error for this poll is +/- 3.46% and is accurate 19 times out of 20. The most erroneous version would still have 62% disapproving. The full report is at: https://www.scribd.com/embeds/388824269/content#from_embed
As usual, Doug is part of the disruptive minority that creates the dysfunction.
 

Frankfooter

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Before this bill was tabled, most Torontonians didn't know how many councillors there were.
No one cares except those whos opinions don't really matter...like the Opposition.
Nope.
You're lying.
The poll shows that Ford is attacking our constitution for petty spite over something that the people of Toronto do not want.
 

oldjones

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Before this bill was tabled, most Torontonians didn't know how many councillors there were.
No one cares except those whos opinions don't really matter...like the Opposition.
In a democracy every opinion matters. That's why we all have rights like free speech, and the right to vote.

Apparently you were skipping on the day they taught that opposing opinions are so essential to democracy that the official Opposition is established and protected by the Sovereign.
 
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