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Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appoint

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Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment

To date, Lisa Page’s infamy has been driven mostly by the anti-Donald Trump text messages she exchanged with fellow FBI agent Peter Strzok as the two engaged in an affair while investigating the president for alleged election collusion with Russia.

Yet, when history judges the former FBI lawyer years from now, her most consequential pronouncement may not have been typed on her bureau-issued Samsung smartphone to her colleague and lover.

Rather, it might be eight simple words she uttered behind closed doors during a congressional interview a few weeks ago.

“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named a special prosecutor to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.


Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

I reached out to Page's lawyer, Amy Jeffress, on Friday. She declined to answer questions about her client’s cooperation with Congress.

It might take a few seconds for the enormity of Page’s statements to sink in. After all, she isn’t just any FBI lawyer. She was a lead on the Russia case when it started in summer 2016, and she helped it transition to Mueller through summer 2017.

For those who might cast doubt on the word of a single FBI lawyer, there’s more.

Shortly after he was fired, ex-FBI Director James Comey told the Senate there was not yet evidence to justify investigating Trump for colluding with Russia. “When I left, we did not have an investigation focused on President Trump,” Comey testified.

And Strzok, the counterintelligence boss and leader of the Russia probe, texted Page in May 2017 that he was reluctant to join Mueller’s probe and leave his senior FBI post because he feared “there’s no big there, there.”

The Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general asked Strzok shortly before he was fired from the FBI what he meant by that text, and he offered a most insightful answer.

Strzok said he wasn’t certain there was a “broad, coordinated effort” to hijack the election and that the evidence of Trump campaign aides talking about getting Hillary Clinton dirt from Russians might have been just a “bunch of opportunists” talking to heighten their importance.

Strzok added that, while he raised the idea of impeachment in some of his texts to Page, “I am, again, was not, am not convinced or certain that it will,” he told the IG.

So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special prosecutor probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.

Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special prosecutor?

Page’s comments also mean FBI and Justice officials likely leaked a barrage of media stories just before and after Mueller’s appointment that made the evidence of collusion look far stronger than the frontline investigators knew it to be. Text messages show contacts between key FBI and DOJ players and the Washington Post, the Associated Press and the New York Times during the ramp-up to Mueller’s probe.

And that means the news media — perhaps longing to find a new Watergate, to revive sagging fortunes — were far too willing to be manipulated by players in a case that began as a political opposition research project funded by Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, and led by a former British intelligence agent, Christopher Steele, who despised Trump.

Finally, Page’s statement signals that the nation’s premier intelligence court may not have been given a complete picture of the evidence — or lack thereof — as it approved an extraordinary surveillance intrusion into an American presidential nominee’s campaign just weeks before Election Day.

There was no fault to the FBI checking whether Trump was compromised by Russia; that is a classic counterintelligence responsibility.

The real fault lies in those leaders who allowed a secret investigation to mushroom into a media maelstrom driven by official leaks that created a story that far exceeded the evidence, and then used that false narrative to set a special prosecutor flying downhill ahead of his skis.

No matter where Mueller ends his probe, it is now clear the actions that preceded his appointment turned justice on its head, imposing the presumption of guilt upon a probe whose own originators had reason to doubt the strength of their evidence.

John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists’ misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He is The Hill’s executive vice president for video.



BOOM!! tic toc...... the truth is coming out...drip drip drip....
 

Frankfooter

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Well duh!

If they could have proven collusion charges would have been laid and Mueller's investigation wouldn't have been needed.
 

Butler1000

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This will continue to come out. And when Mueller is done a very real investigation into the DOJ leadership, as well A few other former intrlligence heads is going to come Into play.

Wait until those weasels flip.
 

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This is a "revelation" that's new only in the partisan echo chamber. There never was any evidence of collusion nor a reason for a Special Counsel. The office was established on nothing and hysteria born out of the shock of Trump's victory.
 

Butler1000

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Right, and you're really a fan of Sanders and not Trump.
Sigh.
I'm a fan of justice. And nailing the people who worked for the DNC is the first step toward nailing the DNC.

And they are the ones who are to blame for screwing Bernie. They are the first enemy that needs to be dealt with.
 

Butler1000

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But you don't cheer when justice is meted out on Trump's cohorts.
Instead you claim only democrats need to face the courts.
I don't like faked up investigations based on a lie.
 

Butler1000

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How could it be fake if 5 people have already plead guilty?
Because no one is guilty of anything to do with the purpose of the investigation.

And the above statements by Lisa Page show it was a fishing expedition and possibly a deflection of how the DOJ was weaponized by the DNC to influence the election.

A far worse thing. Go ahead and try to continue to deflect as well. The truth is coming out now.
 

Frankfooter

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Which of course is another way of saying that there was no basis for the appointment of a Special Counsel.
Russian hacking and electoral fuckery were well known.
What they didn't know and are still investigating, is whether Trump worked with Putin's team to fuck over the election.

Do you consider Russian attacks on the election 'no basis' for investigating?
 

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But Russian interference with the election is not what is being investigated is it now?

Further since Russia will not extradite Russian nationals (and most certainly aren't they going to do so when they are in fact agents of the Russian Government) perhaps, just perhaps criminal justice is not at all the proper format to be using.
 

Frankfooter

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But Russian interference with the election is not what is being investigated is it now?

Further since Russia will not extradite Russian nationals (and most certainly aren't they going to do so when they are in fact agents of the Russian Government) perhaps, just perhaps criminal justice is not at all the proper format to be using.
It is exactly what is being investigated.
12 Russians indicted in Mueller investigation


What is harder to find out is whether Putin has the Piss Tape, whether Cohen did go to Prague to pay for Putin hacking Clinton after Trump called for it, whether that was discussed at Don Jr's Trump tower meeting, how Stone and Trump both know about the wikileaks Dem email leaks before they were public and a host of other questions.
 

Butler1000

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It is exactly what is being investigated.
12 Russians indicted in Mueller investigation


What is harder to find out is whether Putin has the Piss Tape, whether Cohen did go to Prague to pay for Putin hacking Clinton after Trump called for it, whether that was discussed at Don Jr's Trump tower meeting, how Stone and Trump both know about the wikileaks Dem email leaks before they were public and a host of other questions.
And now we have a senior FBI lawyer admitting that there isn't any evidence to suggest any of the above.

They didn't have it before. And after a year they still don't.

Because it doesn't exist.
 

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And now we have a senior FBI lawyer admitting that there isn't any evidence to suggest any of the above.

They didn't have it before. And after a year they still don't.

Because it doesn't exist.
There is a Mueller investigation because the IDIOT decided to obstruct justice and fire Comey. And of course Manafort flipping, Trumps' campaign manager with ties to Russian Intelligence, is a Nothing Burger - bbbwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Butler1000

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There is a Mueller investigation because the IDIOT decided to obstruct justice and fire Comey. And of course Manafort flipping, Trumps' campaign manager with ties to Russian Intelligence, is a Nothing Burger - bbbwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it is nothing. Rumors to reporters are he is flipping on a few other lobby groups with foreign ties. Including the Podesta Group. So more of the same. Tax evasion, and the like.
 
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