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Ontario hospitals will need to find 'efficient' ways to operate: health minister

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TORONTO -- Ontario's new government will uphold a promise to address hospital overcrowding but any action taken must have fiscal restraint in mind, the province's health minister said Thursday.

In her first major speech since the Progressive Conservatives were elected this spring, Christine Elliott said the government must tackle the problem, but noted that Ontario faces "difficult financial times" and the health-care sector will have to find ways to operate more efficiently.

"I am convinced the solution lies in system transformation, and building health-care delivery for the future," Elliott said at a gathering of health-care executives organized by the Ontario Hospital Association. "Only a system-wide lens will help us plan successfully for how we will care for generations to come."

Elliott, who previously served as Ontario's patient ombudsman, said the government is mindful it was elected with a mandate of fiscal responsibility.

"That means we are going to have to be innovative," she said.

Ontario's hospitals have been struggling with overcrowding issues for several years with staff sometimes forced to treat patients in areas like hallways or storage closets.

Elliott called that "unacceptable."

"That is no way to treat our loved ones," she said. "We have a big challenge ahead of us."

Her comments come days after Ontario accepted the report of a commission of inquiry looking at the previous government's spending. That report has not yet been made public but Finance Minister Vic Fedeli has said its findings will help the government determine the extent of the province's fiscal situation and the levels of deficit and debt.

Premier Doug Ford has promised to create 15,000 long-term care beds within five years, and 30,000 over the next 10 years to relieve pressure on hospitals. Elliott repeated that promise Thursday, saying that growing capacity is part of the solution.

"We know the wait list is too long for a bed in a Long Term Care home, and that creates added pressures for you," she told her audience, adding that she wanted them to share their ideas on improving the health-care system. "In the coming months we are going to discuss those ideas, we are going to find the right solutions."

The Ontario Hospital Assocaition said it was committed to working with the government and other partners to build a more effective health-care system.

"Building a sustainable and efficient health care system requires us to substantially rethink the status quo, develop new models and approaches to care and push for greater integration," it said.

NDP health critic France Gelinas, however, called Elliott's remarks a signal of looming cuts and privatization.

"You can't cut your way to better health care," Gelinas said in a statement. "Today's speech by Ford's health minister is chilling, and signals that even more funding cuts are on the way."

Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner echoed those remarks.

"I am concerned that when anyone from this government talks about 'efficiencies', it is code for cutbacks," he said in a statement. "It's troubling that this government is now putting an asterisk next to its promise to end hallway medicine."

Schreiner said the government needs to invest in measures like more community health centres, nurse practitioner-led clinics, and family health teams.

"I appreciate the minister's comments about transforming our health care system with an eye to the future," he said. "By this, I hope she means investing in preventative approaches rather than expensive band-aids."

The Ontario Health Coalition, which advocates for publicly funded care, said Elliott's comments raise red flags.

"We would remind the minister they were elected to end hallway medicine and that does not mean cuts and privatization for which this government has no mandate whatsoever," said executive director Natalie Mehra.

"As much as we'd all like to get more for less, you really can't resolve the hospital hallway crisis without actually re-opening the closed floors, and wards and beds in hospitals and restoring those services."


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-...ent-ways-to-operate-health-minister-1.4083145
 

rhuarc29

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Hospitals suffer from the same illness that affects all public work. Namely, there aren't enough consequences for working ineffectively or inefficiently. The job security is insane! No where else could you skate by and still be guaranteed regular salary increases.
The best part is that when a hospital is inefficient, they simply ask for more money. When the government pushes back, the hospital conveniently places the blame for inefficiency on government under-funding.
 

GameBoy27

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I heard Ontario has 10 times the number of hospital administrators that Germany does. Is that really necessary?
 

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The first place to start is to get rid of some of the self entitled, over paid so called health care executives with their county club memberships and fancy lunches.
 

saxon

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Too much money is spent on administrative costs and not on patient care.
 

kkelso

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Too much money is spent on administrative costs and not on patient care.
If it is anything like the states, an *enormous* amount of overhead, both administrative and medical, is directed toward not being sued.

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When people are not spending their own money. It's going to be fucking inefficient.
I agree that administration is out of control as I have worked with a lot of these "administrations" and the average person would be surprised at the amount of waste and the number of fiefdoms and layers of management that exist within these systems.

This area needs to be overhauled and those funds reinvested in front line services.

Hopefully Christine is hinting at changes/cuts to the bloated ranks of management.

Bottom line is though, tough changes are long, long overdue and should have been implemented years ago.

I am also open to officially introducing a two-tier system.
 

basketcase

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Typical Ford. Promise to fix things then tell the hospitals they have to figure it out for themselves without any assistance from the government.


p.s. politics forum?
 

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Typical Ford. Promise to fix things then tell the hospitals they have to figure it out for themselves without any assistance from the government.


p.s. politics forum?
The state of our hospitals have passed petty politics. It is time someone takes action and something is done. Crying over "Ford this" and "Ford that" is not constructive. It is just continuing the cycle of bullshit that has been going on for decades.

Our hospitals have been experiencing increased wait times, increased costs and bloated bureaucratic nonsense since the Davis government. We have had a succession of governments of all political stripes have their turn at the helm and guess what? Nothing has been done and we are in the same situation that continues to get worse.

I am hoping the hospital file, under the watch of Elliot, not Ford, will get a swift kick in the ass because the population is aging and the strain on hospitals is only going to increase. We need someone who is not afraid to shake things up and make changes regardless of the political drama.

It is time to fix it, not whine and complain. If Elliot needs to make tough decisions and realign the emphasis on the front line workers and getting the best value for the tax payer, then she has my full support.

This is not a "Ford" issue, this is a serious tax payer issue that you will need to depend on one day. Time to take your partisan politics and park it for the good of the people.
 

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The state of our hospitals have passed petty politics. It is time someone takes action and something is done. Crying over "Ford this" and "Ford that" is not constructive. It is just continuing the cycle of bullshit that has been going on for decades.

Our hospitals have been experiencing increased wait times, increased costs and bloated bureaucratic nonsense since the Davis government. We have had a succession of governments of all political stripes have their turn at the helm and guess what? Nothing has been done and we are in the same situation that continues to get worse.

I am hoping the hospital file, under the watch of Elliot, not Ford, will get a swift kick in the ass because the population is aging and the strain on hospitals is only going to increase. We need someone who is not afraid to shake things up and make changes regardless of the political drama.

It is time to fix it, not whine and complain. If Elliot needs to make tough decisions and realign the emphasis on the front line workers and getting the best value for the tax payer, then she has my full support.

This is not a "Ford" issue, this is a serious tax payer issue that you will need to depend on one day. Time to take your partisan politics and park it for the good of the people.
Perfectly stated.
 

basketcase

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The state of our hospitals have passed petty politics. It is time someone takes action and something is done. ....
Did you read the story in the OP? Ford quite clearly said that he won't take action, he wants the hospitals to do it themselves.

And did you really swallow his campaign shit that he will get 30,000 more long term care beds for free?
 

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Did you read the story in the OP? Ford quite clearly said that he won't take action, he wants the hospitals to do it themselves.

And did you really swallow his campaign shit that he will get 30,000 more long term care beds for free?
All three parties made the same claim to create thousands of more beds over the next 5 - 10 years ( https://globalnews.ca/news/4196074/ontario-election-promise-tracker/ ).

The easy way to get out of this mess is to do nothing, point fingers of who to blame, or to complain that nothing will work - Basically it is called quitting. I take it that this is comfortable for you and you probably have a fear of challenge and change. That my friend is the biggest difference between leaders and followers. Leaders are not afraid to face a challenge, take risks and implement change. Followers will sit on the bench and then become Monday morning quarterbacks.

The current government is not going to wish the problem away, as the article clearly states the government must tackle the problem and the health care sector will have to find ways to operate more efficiently. I do not want the government to manage this alone and I fully expect that they partner with the health care sector to find a way to make this work. If you have ever been in a situation where you were in charge of turning around a department/organization, one of the things you need to do is partner with key stakeholders from all levels to understand what the problems are and how they can be fixed.

What makes me shake my head is that you are already of the mind set that it will be a great failure. Man! That kind of defeatist attitude is why we are in this current state of affairs. People with that type of attitude were always the first to be kicked off of my team.
 

Boober69

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Doug runs Deco - cash taken out and the business killed.
Doug runs ON hospitals - now promising to take cash out and.....
One is private, the other public.
One relies on market demand for labels, the other has an endless amount of taxpayer money coming in.
One has been abusing taxpayer money without delivering services, the other actually has to compete.

Lastly, here's another one of your predictions that is based on your own bias. Nothing has actually happened, but regardless, you have already decided what will happen.
Doom & gloom. Again.

Maybe you are still overjoyed at how the Liberals handled eHealth and Orng
 

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But seriously do we need a Premier who gives the former PC president a $350K health advisor job. Ford has been pissing away tax payer money and pissing off voters.
 
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