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Brits have evidence Putin behind Novichok attacks in Salisbury

mandrill

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The two men charged with carrying out the Salisbury novichok attack are Russian spies and their assassination attempt was approved at “a senior level of the Russian state”, Theresa May has said.

The men who travelled to the UK under the names Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov - believed to be aliases – are “officers from the Russian military intelligence service”, MPs were told.

The prime minister hinted at approval by the Kremlin, saying “The GRU [the intelligence service] is a highly disciplined organisation with a well-established chain of command. “So this was not a rogue operation. It was almost certainly also approved outside the GRU at a senior level of the Russian state.”

However, asked if she “means President Putin” was responsible, Ms May declined to name him, replying: “I mean a decision, outside the GRU, at a senior level of the Russian state.”

The deputy chairman of the Conservative party, James Cleverly, hinted at new pressure for international action, tweeting: “Our response must be both internationally coordinated and robust.”

Delivering a statement, Ms May said the conclusions were based on “a body of intelligence” gathered by investigations by the security and intelligence agencies.

She told MPs: “We were right to say in March that the Russian State was responsible. And now we have identified the individuals involved, we can go even further.”

And she added: “As the Crown Prosecution Service and police announced earlier today, we have obtained a European Arrest Warrant and will shortly issue an Interpol red notice.”

A formal extradition request was “futile”, because Russia had “repeatedly refused to allow its nationals to stand trial overseas, citing a bar on extradition in its constitution”.

But she vowed: “Should either of these individuals ever again travel outside Russia, we will take every possible step to detain them, to extradite them and to bring them to face justice here in the United Kingdom.”

Sergei Skripal served in the GRU for more than a decade before passing secrets to MI6 that unmasked undercover Russian spies in Europe.

He was sentenced to 13 years in prison for treason by espionage in 2006, but freed four years later as part of a high-profile spy-swap and flown to Britain.
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The two men suspected of trying to assassinate Sergei Skripal (Metropolitan Police/PA)

It was assumed that Mr Skripal would be given a new identity and secret home, but he lived an apparently quiet life under his real name in Salisbury.

In response, Jeremy Corbyn said Labour would back any “reasonable and effective” actions against Russia and the GRU, adding: “We utterly condemn this appalling attack".

But the prime minister made a veiled criticism of the Labour leader as she thanked the SNP Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, for his outright condemnation of the Russian state.

“I would only wish that that clear condemnation would be possible from the leaders of all parties in the House,” she said.

In March, Mr Corbyn drew widespread criticism – including from many Labour MPs – for refusing to directly condemn Moscow over its alleged responsibility.

Under questioning from MPs, Ms May declined to say why she thought the attack had been carried out, saying that was “up to the Russian state to explain” and adding: “All we have had is obfuscation and lies.”

The prime minister said that the Soviet Union developed novichoks in the 1980s in a secret operation codenamed Foliant, and Russia has produced and small quantities of the nerve agents over the past decade in violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

“During the 2000s, Russia commenced a programme testing means of delivering nerve agents, including by application to door handles,” she added.

Russia has been spying on the Skripals for at least five years - UK

Earlier this year, the national security advisor revealed that Russia had been spying on Sergei and Yulia Skripal for at least five years before the attempted assassination in March,

In a letter to Nato, Sir Mark Sedwill revealed that they were the subject of “interest” from the Kremlin’s security services since 2013.

He said email accounts belonging to Ms Skripal had been targeted by cyber specialists the GRU and that even after being handed over to Britain, Mr Skripal may still have been seen as a target.

“It is highly likely that the Russian intelligence services view at least some of its defectors as legitimate targets for assassination,” he added.

Vladimir Putin’s government has repeatedly denied any involvement in the Salisbury attack, or breaking the Chemical Weapons Convention, and says all its stockpiles were destroyed.

The Kremlin repeated denials of any involvement in the Salisbury or Amesbury poisonings following Wednesday’s announcement, which a foreign ministry spokesperson claimed the suspects’ names and photos “say nothing to us”.

The suspects wanted for the Salisbury attack fled back to Moscow hours after putting novichok on Mr Skripal's front door on 4 March, police said.
Police release images of suspects in connection with Salisbury attack

They may have used the same “perfume bottle” that poisoned Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley in June.

Investigators said the men were both using legitimate passports issued by the Russian government and have “travelled extensively” to the UK and other nations in the past, but could not confirm whether they had links to the Kremlin or Russian intelligence agencies.

Police have not been able to rule out the existence of other items containing novichok in Britain, and are appealing for guests who stayed in the same London hotel as the alleged assassins to come forward after traces of the nerve agent were discovered in their room.

“Clearly this was assassination attempt carried out by people involved in this tradecraft,” Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, the head of UK counterterror policing, told journalists.

He said novichok was smuggled into Britain inside a counterfeit Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume that had been “specially adapted” to contain novichok and distribute it through a pump, adding: “We don’t yet know where the suspects disposed of the novichok they used to attack the door, where Dawn and Charlie got the bottle that poisoned them, or if it is the same bottle used in both poisonings.”

The two named suspects flew into the UK from Moscow on 2 March and fled back to Russia within hours of allegedly planting the nerve agent at Mr Skripal’s home two days later.

They have been charged with conspiracy to murder Mr Skripal and the attempted murder of the former Russian double agent, his daughter and police officer Nick Bailey, who fell ill after visiting the house.

The men have also been charged with use and possession of novichok contrary to the Chemical Weapons Act and causing grievous bodily harm with intent to Ms Skripal and Mr Bailey.

They have not yet been charged with offences in relation to the poisoning of Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess, who died days after being exposed to novichok on 30 June.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is not applying to Russia for an extradition warrant because the country's constitution does not permit the extradition of its own nationals.

Instead, European Arrest Warrants and Interpol red notices have been issued, meaning the suspects can be arrested if they leave Russia.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the investigation team in confidence on 0800 789 321 or email Salisbury2018@met.police.uk.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-novichok-sergei-skripal-poison-a8523851.html
 

danmand

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Oh, my goodness, Oagre, please remove your shiny hat.

Even by regular standards for conspiracy theories, the theory concocted by the British is beyond laughable. I imagine only you and Aardie here believes it.
 

mandrill

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Apparently it was a 400 lb guy who was last seen in his mothers basement.
Or they victims poisoned themselves with Novichok to make trouble for Putin.
 

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As Putin said months ago..." Good thing we didn't poison the Skirpal's. If we did they'd be dead by now ".
 

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These poor Russian tourists. They fly into Gatwick on Friday March 2 and stay in an East End London hotel, on March 3 they travel to Salisbury, then return to London having stayed in Salisbury less than two hours. Sunday March 4 they return to Salisbury, a little over an hour after their arrival to see the Cathedral they are in the vicinity of Mr Skripal’s house which is some distance from the Cathedral. After slightly over two hours in Salisbury they again return to London and depart the U.K. a bit over 8 hours after leaving Salisbury.

So to give this some context you fly for only an hour less than you would from St. John's, Newfoundland to London, spend a grand total of four hours in the "famous cathedral city" you are supposedly so excited to visit, are in the U.K. for only a bit over 53 hours and fly home.

Perhaps it is credible to Danmand, to most of the rest of the world, not so much.
 

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These poor Russian tourists. They fly into Gatwick on Friday March 2 and stay in an East End London hotel, on March 3 they travel to Salisbury, then return to London having stayed in Salisbury less than two hours. Sunday March 4 they return to Salisbury, a little over an hour after their arrival to see the Cathedral they are in the vicinity of Mr Skripal’s house which is some distance from the Cathedral. After slightly over two hours in Salisbury they again return to London and depart the U.K. a bit over 8 hours after leaving Salisbury.

So to give this some context you fly for only an hour less than you would from St. John's, Newfoundland to London, spend a grand total of four hours in the "famous cathedral city" you are supposedly so excited to visit, are in the U.K. for only a bit over 53 hours and fly home.

Perhaps it is credible to Danmand, to most of the rest of the world, not so much.
I assume Aardie has seen surveiance videos from Saliisbury of the two russian men in hazmat suits smearing the worlds most dangerous military grade nerve poison on the doornob of the victims home. Or have the two men diabolicly developed immunity to the nerve poison?
 

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I assume Aardie has seen surveiance videos from Saliisbury of the two russian men in hazmat suits smearing the worlds most dangerous military grade nerve poison on the doornob of the victims home. Or have the two men diabolicly developed immunity to the nerve poison?

The British have thoroughly dotted their i's and crossed their T's, there are numerous news articles about it.

Salisbury Cathedral has stated that after reviewing all of their CCTV recordings of the days in question the two men in question are never shown. So is the Diocese of Salisbury lying or did they have an invisibility cloak with them? Further the bottle having been recovered it can be seen how it was specially rigged to avoid self contamination.


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danmand

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The British have thoroughly dotted their i's and crossed their T's, there are numerous news articles about it.

Salisbury Cathedral has stated that after reviewing all of their CCTV recordings of the days in question the two men in question are never shown. So is the Diocese of Salisbury lying or did they have an invisibility cloak with them? Further the bottle having been recovered it can be seen how it was specially rigged to avoid self contamination.


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You are a true believer.

Spray the deadliest nerve poison in history, 1 inch from your finger seems very safe. What could go wrong?

Hint: Make sure not to spray against the wind.
 

Aardvark154

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You are a true believer.

Spray the deadliest nerve poison in history, 1 inch from your finger seems very safe. What could go wrong?

Hint: Make sure not to spray against the wind.
1) not the deadliest of nerve agents 2) wear gloves, 3) don't spray while windy, 4) have a container specifically designed for you to spray the agent (which is an oily liquid) onto the door knob.
 
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