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Venezuela is a failure of populism, not socialism - CBC

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Pointing out Canadians and Americans have been socialists since we first decided to live here, long before the Word acquired a capital letter. It's how humans have always fared best — working together.
 

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ROFLMAO!!! Of course it's not socialism, anymore. It failed and every time it does fail, the excuses follow. But, never fear, they'll get it right, next time!
 

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The author should read Animal Farm.

We have a Socialist running for Congress in NY that’s doing a great Hugo impersonation.
 

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Share of population that is homeless, 2017

Venezuela: 6.7%
Canada: 0.9%
UK: 0.5%
Sweden: 0.4%
India: 0.2%
China: 0.2%
US: 0.2%
Germany: 0.1%
Spain: 0.09%
Italy: 0.08%
Norway: 0.07%
France: 0.07%
Brazil: 0.04%
Mexico: 0.04%
Israel: 0.02%
Japan: 0.004%
 

JohnLarue

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CBC makes a strong case that while Chavez' government started as socialist, when oil dropped and they lost most of their countries financing they turned to populists, cutting social institutions and services.
Its a good read and is also a good warning for the supporters of populism here.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/venezuela-populism-collapse-1.4804985
Just when I thought I had heard everything

This is sadly going to become a massive humanitarian crisis, tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands ) are going to die and you think you can do damage control for socialism?

Please slither away
 

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Just when I thought I had heard everything

This is sadly going to become a massive humanitarian crisis, tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands ) are going to die and you think you can do damage control for socialism?

Please slither away
Its nothing to do with socialism. The US has essentially cut Venezuela off from the global banking system and from issuing bonds.. How long would the USA stay togetherr if it was unable to issue debt? Venezuelas debt to GDP is a relatively moderate 28%. Still waiting to hear Larue name a nation that is wealthy with no significant aspects of socialism.
 

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CBC makes a strong case that while Chavez' government started as socialist, when oil dropped and they lost most of their countries financing they turned to populists, cutting social institutions and services.
Its a good read and is also a good warning for the supporters of populism here.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/venezuela-populism-collapse-1.4804985
https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econ...n-praise-of-venezuela-1uQbfKEzi0qpmfItuE76Sg/

"Oil for the People": Michael Moore is in praise of Chavez ending poverty in Venezuela.

I captured that Tweet as an image in case Moore deletes i
t.





It was retweeted 6,684 times. 1,862 fools liked it.

Michael Moore, please check this out.


https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1035514290357383168/photo/1


There is scarcity of everything in #Venezuela except suffering!

PS . CBC Is full of shit! Plus Michael Moore another leftie socialists is also full of shit.
 

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https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econ...n-praise-of-venezuela-1uQbfKEzi0qpmfItuE76Sg/

"Oil for the People": Michael Moore is in praise of Chavez ending poverty in Venezuela.

I captured that Tweet as an image in case Moore deletes i
t.





It was retweeted 6,684 times. 1,862 fools liked it.

Michael Moore, please check this out.


https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1035514290357383168/photo/1


There is scarcity of everything in #Venezuela except suffering!

PS . CBC Is full of shit! Plus Michael Moore another leftie socialists is also full of shit.
As noted in the CBC article, Chavez actually did enact quite a few popular and good social programs. That ended when oil tanked and the US put the screws on them. Then they turned to 'populism' and that lead them to where they are now.
 

JohnLarue

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Its nothing to do with socialism. The US has essentially cut Venezuela off from the global banking system and from issuing bonds.. How long would the USA stay togetherr if it was unable to issue debt? Venezuelas debt to GDP is a relatively moderate 28%. Still waiting to hear Larue name a nation that is wealthy with no significant aspects of socialism.
Of coarse it is socialism.
The Venezuela socialist morons nationalized US assets. Any country in the world will cut off access to their financial system in response to that action
if someone car jacks your ride are you going to gim him your ATM card & pin # ??????
Do these brain farts come to you naturally or do you have to work hard to be this stunned?

Re bonds? who do you think would be stupid enough to lend to a country which does not respect property rights?
A bond is a legal contract and its value is the good faith of the borrower to honour the contracts conditions , particularly the obligation to repay

Why would they honour the legal obligation to repay when they will not honour the legal property rights of the nationalized companies?

Money avoids incompetence & stupidity. It runs away from thieves who do not respect property rights.
No one would underwrite a Venezuela bond once they nationalized the assets.
That is a bigger pipedream than your fantasy that socialism can work

You really should avoid subjects where your opinion is much bigger than your understanding

South Africa is going to run into the same problem if they confiscate white farmers land without compensation.
That action will likely lead to civil war as the country will immediately be cut off from financing for rejecting property rights.
Without cash it will descend into chaos
You will blame that one on someone else as well
 

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What silliness. An argument as to how to balance on the blade of a razor. It is a hard left socialism with a populist twist, and has proved a total disaster!
 

JohnLarue

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As noted in the CBC article, Chavez actually did enact quite a few popular and good social programs. That ended when oil tanked and the US put the screws on them. Then they turned to 'populism' and that lead them to where they are now.
Do not be disengenious
They started on this one way path to chaos when they nationalized foreign assets, cutting themselves off from international financing
Nobody lends money to thieves

It was only a question of when they would implode, which happens to be the present
Any subsequent political changes were out of desperation, despair and the brutal realization that socialism does not work.
these poor people could not get toilet paper or clean water and you think you can blame that on populism???


Socialism is the cause of the humanitarian nightmare in Venezuela, claiming otherwise is a ridiculous perversion of the truth

you really do your causes a whole lot more damage than good
 

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Do not be disengenious
They started on this one way path to chaos when they nationalized foreign assets, cutting themselves off from international financing
It wasn't loans, it was the drop in oil.
The origin of this economic collapse, framed in the context of the Great Recession, years after the improvement of the extraction of unconventional hydrocarbons in the United States, showed a macro-economic phenomenon of great importance for the region. From China's slowdown, a steady increase in oil production and stable demand, generated a surplus of this resource that caused a drop in prices of reference crude oil, West Texas Intermediate (WTI), and Brent Crude, falling in 2014 from $100 a barrel to $50 a barrel, causing unfavourable changes in the economy of Venezuela (see 2010s oil glut).

Due to high oil reserves, lack of policies on private property and low remittances, by 2012, of every 100 dollars, more than 90 came from oil and its derivatives. With the fall in oil prices in early 2015 the country faced a drastic fall in revenues of the US currency along with commodities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela
 

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Its nothing to do with socialism. The US has essentially cut Venezuela off from the global banking system and from issuing bonds.. How long would the USA stay togetherr if it was unable to issue debt? Venezuelas debt to GDP is a relatively moderate 28%. Still waiting to hear Larue name a nation that is wealthy with no significant aspects of socialism.
Venezuela can’t issue debt because no one is stupid enough to buy it. They are in free fall.
 

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nottyboi

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Venezuela can’t issue debt because no one is stupid enough to buy it. They are in free fall.
Nope US sanctions have prevented them from issuing debt. Debt can be secured against many assets in a country like Venezuela, for example oil futures contracts. They are in free fall because of lack of liquidity
 

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Nope US sanctions have prevented them from issuing debt. Debt can be secured against many assets in a country like Venezuela, for example oil futures contracts. They are in free fall because of lack of liquidity
Here is something that is sort of obvious to right wingers on this forum.

Do not agree with, or continue with, anything that groggy posts, because he is trying to subvert the entire system. I kind of like subversives, but the others will kind of flip out, because he's a subversive.

The problem about Chavez not finding any financing, is false.

The Chinese stepped in big time. They gave Chavez money and he used the oil as collateral.

This worked for a while, until the communist thought, wow, those guys are real socialist! So the Chinese communist eventually had to walk away with bad debts. But hey, they are brothers in arms.

It got to a point where the communist Chinese thought, these guys are totally f-ing up the entire country! So they politely and quietly walked away, and did not discuss the debts for now.

All that is left is the usual bullshit in politics, blame someone else. Here, is it the Americans again.

:pizza:
 

Polaris

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Nope, oil dropped 50% and Venezuela relied on oil for 90% of its economy.
That should tell you how messed up their country was.

They subsisted, had nothing but oil. They could not develop anything else to provide jobs for their people.

Only free markets and right wing policies can generate wealth.

Venezuela is the poster child for failed leftist economies, along with the USSR, China before Deng's reforms, France and Italy and Greece today.
 
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