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Trudeau covered in oil....Trans Mountain Protest

nottyboi

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Ironically the woman protesting wearing the bike helmet seems not have NO IDEA, her bike helmet is actualy largely made of oil...lol
 

saxon

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Federal Court of Appeal has quashed approval of Trans Mountain pipeline, another epic failure for Trudeau.
 

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.....the polar opposite of what’s happening south of us where Trump and the economy keeps WINNING!!

Cheers
 

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After the Appeals court decision this morning, Kinder Morgan shareholders voted 99% in favour of selling the Trans Mountain pipeline to the Federal government. So the taxpayers of Canada will be on the hook for $4.5 billion as Trudeau agreed to buy the pipeline irregardless of the courts decision. Now we’re stuck with a $4.5 billion pipeline that probably won’t be built.
 

toguy5252

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Federal Court of Appeal has quashed approval of Trans Mountain pipeline, another epic failure for Trudeau.
Not sure why you think it is a failure for JT. It is certainly a failure for the country.
 

toguy5252

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After the Appeals court decision this morning, Kinder Morgan shareholders voted 99% in favour of selling the Trans Mountain pipeline to the Federal government. So the taxpayers of Canada will be on the hook for $4.5 billion as Trudeau agreed to buy the pipeline irregardless of the courts decision. Now we’re stuck with a $4.5 billion pipeline that probably won’t be built.
It will eventually get built.
 

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Not sure why you think it is a failure for JT. It is certainly a failure for the country.
Trudeau is the one who agreed to buy the pipeline off of Kinder Morgan, he was gambling that the courts would uphold the approval process and its backfired on him. As a result the taxpayers must now hand over $4.5 billion to Kinder Morgan whether the pipeline gets built or not.
 

toguy5252

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Trudeau is the one who agreed to buy the pipeline off of Kinder Morgan, he was gambling that the courts would uphold the approval process and its backfired on him. As a result the taxpayers must now hand over $4.5 billion to Kinder Morgan whether the pipeline gets built or not.
Yes but if you believe that the pipeline will be built, and I do, then the government will recoup its money. The worse outcome would have been in KM simply pulled the plug. This a bad out come but not as bad as KM simply walking. This entire episode beginning with the BC governments unconstitutional interference has done great hard to Canada internationally.
 

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I know I'll be sorry I asked, but why wouldn't Canada want this pipeline built?

KK
 

oldjones

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I know I'll be sorry I asked, but why wouldn't Canada want this pipeline built?

KK
Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and lots, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed. And just like all of us, pipeline companies skimp on inconvenient and pricey maintenance.

Not to mention we shouldn't be feeding our addiction to cars, and the oil would be better turned into plastics here in Canada. That's assuming anyone still can make a profit mining the stuff if we collect the reasonable cost of remediating their pollution up-front instead of letting them go bankrupt when it's all gone, and walk away American style.

Besides, all that land belongs to First Nations most of whom didn't cede it to anyone. What the decision actually says is that, if there is to be a pipeline across that land, it's for them to say so, and be part of the deal. And that would be progress. What the Court turned down was only the usual bad business, as if we'd learned nothing from our mistakes over the decades.

Others can speak for themselves.
 

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Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and los, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed.

Not to mention we shouldn't be feeding our addiction to cars, and the oil would be better turned into plastics here in Canada. That's assuming anyone still can make a profit mining the stuff if we collect the reasonable cost of remediating their pollution up-front instead of letting them go bankrupt and walk away American style.

Others can speak for themselves.
And yet we all take the risk of having plumbing that might leak (not to mention gas lines!) in every one of our homes. Equipment breaks, messes are made, and the equipment is fixed until the next time it breaks. Your car brakes could also fail the next time you hit the brake pedal. Using technology always entails a risk. So does not using it.

We extract oil because that is where we are at with our energy technology. We work to move beyond fossil fuels, but there is yet to be a viable alternative. A society cannot take a step backward in its technological development and expect that step backward to lead to a step forward.

p.s. Oil companies are really much more effective at addressing leaking pipelines than you suggest. After all, they don't pay all that money to extract it from the ground only to have leak back. They have very sophisticated systems for detecting leaks, maintaining pipelines, and repairing pipelines.
p.p.s. I thought plastics were the ultimate bogeyman of environmentalists. Surprised to see your seeming support for higher plastics production.
 

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Data from the Angus Reid Institute shows that Canada-wide support for the construction of the Trans Mountain expansion project has grown steadily over the course of the year — from 49 per cent of respondents in favour of the pipeline in February to 57 per cent in June.

Similarly, the number of respondents saying they opposed the project dropped from 33 per cent to 26 per cent over the same time period.

Angus Reid also found in June that 56 per cent of respondents in British Columbia said they opposed their provincial government’s attempts to block the pipeline project from being built.

The Trans Mountain expansion would add shipments of 590,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to British Columbia by twinning an existing pipeline at an expected cost of $7.4 billion.

Kinder Morgan, which continues to own the pipeline until its sale to the federal government closes, has released potential cases that could cause the project’s price tag to rise to either $8.4 billion or $9.3 billion depending on construction schedules.

So the sale to the Federal Government has not closed. The net sale to the Canadian Government would have been around $4.175 billion, as Kinder Morgan would have had to pay back $325 million in Capital Gains Tax. No doubt there will be further appeals by the Canadian Government and the Alberta Provincial Government.

But this ludicrous statement by some of the right wingers, that the winner would be Trump is false. He is proving to be a big loser as far as Mueller is concerned. Time will tell if he is going to be around for another year.
 

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And yet we all take the risk of having plumbing that might leak (not to mention gas lines!) in every one of our homes. Equipment breaks, messes are made, and the equipment is fixed until the next time it breaks. Your car brakes could also fail the next time you hit the brake pedal. Using technology always entails a risk. So does not using it.

We extract oil because that is where we are at with our energy technology. We work to move beyond fossil fuels, but there is yet to be a viable alternative. A society cannot take a step backward in its technological development and expect that step backward to lead to a step forward.

p.s. Oil companies are really much more effective at addressing leaking pipelines than you suggest. After all, they don't pay all that money to extract it from the ground only to have leak back. They have very sophisticated systems for detecting leaks, maintaining pipelines, and repairing pipelines.
p.p.s. I thought plastics were the ultimate bogeyman of environmentalists. Surprised to see your seeming support for higher plastics production.
Google Enbridge Kalamazoo for your first PS. On the second PPS: plastics. As you say, you thought wrong, whether about me, about environmentalists, or about the manufactured materials. Working from fewer preconceptions usually improves any thought process. Start a thread if you want to discuss any of those but my own thinking.

There most certainly are viable alternatives to fossil fuels; we got all the way to the XIXth C without much use of them at all. What we need to do is commit to a useful, serious exchange in society (not to mention across the Planet) on the definition of that critical concept 'viable'. To begin with, I suspect you're eliding it with 'cheap', or 'economical'. 'Viable' actually refers to survival, and committing to yesterday's technology is a death sentence for any society as dependent on technology as you say we are.

I think I already covered the 'technology fails' issue above, and in many previous pipeline threads. It supports my point, when you say it always fails. And we always learn too slowly from those failures. Do you imagine Titanic was the first ship to sail without enough lifeboats? The watertight compartments that could have saved the ship were a well known concept well before her plans were drawn, but ship owners and builders convinced the authorities they were too expensive and would kill their business if they were legislated. Just as pipeline owners, and railway CEOs do today.

But at least railways and tanker trucks operate out where we can see them. And because of that, unlike Titanic, their owners and operators can't cheap out and leave the tops off their 'leakproof' containment vessels. And when the inevitable happens, each one of them must be punctured individually — like those watertight compartments — for there to be a problem at all, and by the time things stop moving, the word's already on its way and the CEO's are working on it.

Not taking a whole day before they realize they've been pumping their oil into the Kalamazoo River. And it was not the CEOs and managers, but we customers and taxpayers who paid for all that clean-up, and for the pricey lobbyists paid to persuade pols to let them cut corners. Because although technology always fails, the pipeline CEOs didn't see the greater risk in letting it fail out of sight.

We can afford to buy a bit of safety and risk limitation instead of paying the cost of their "always" failing decisions. We'll just have to wait a little longer for the oil to get to us. Or to China.

BTW, the prices of PVs (which do use odd bits of plastics) and EVs (ditto) are coming down all the time.
 

JohnLarue

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Federal Court of Appeal has quashed approval of Trans Mountain pipeline, another epic failure for Trudeau.
A tough weak for Justin
he finds out he has been out maneuvered on NAFTA & now must sacrifice either dairy farmers or our auto industry & he only gets a week to figure it out
the he finds out he over paid for a pipeline that will likely still not be built before the next election, if ever
and then alberta pulls out of his climate plan
Hows the ulcer Justin?

How did that slogan go?
"Justin Trudeau, he just is not ready"
soon to be modified to
"Justin Trudeau, what were we thinking?'
 

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The right wingers as usual are going ballistic with this ruling by the Federal Court of Appeal. This whole idea of building pipelines to transport this tar sands oil to the BC Coast with the Northern Gateway or Energy East Projects went nowhere although they were approved. They would have also been subject to approval by the Appeal Court. Harper had a decade to build them, and he failed. But this Baby Scheer dude will always be critical to the Government although he has no solutions himself, especially with a BC Government opposed to this whole project. We have to wait to see whether this is challenged in the High Court.
 

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The right wingers as usual are going ballistic with this ruling by the Federal Court of Appeal.
One of the so-called "right wingers" who has gone "ballistic" is Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, who has pulled Alberta out of the federal "action plan" on climate change.

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/20...court-ruling-puts-trans-mountain-on-hold.html

In the interest of fairness, I assume federal Environment Minister Catherine McKenna will start tweeting that Notley is a climate change "denier." :applouse:
 

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Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and lots, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed. And just like all of us, pipeline companies skimp on inconvenient and pricey maintenance.

Not to mention we shouldn't be feeding our addiction to cars, and the oil would be better turned into plastics here in Canada. That's assuming anyone still can make a profit mining the stuff if we collect the reasonable cost of remediating their pollution up-front instead of letting them go bankrupt when it's all gone, and walk away American style.

Besides, all that land belongs to First Nations most of whom didn't cede it to anyone. What the decision actually says is that, if there is to be a pipeline across that land, it's for them to say so, and be part of the deal. And that would be progress. What the Court turned down was only the usual bad business, as if we'd learned nothing from our mistakes over the decades.

Others can speak for themselves.
We should all just ride bicycles and trade arts & crafts for things like food and candles to light our huts.
Then no one can accuse us of being climate change deniers and we will feel really good about ourselves.
Any money we do manage to scrape together, we should donate to some green energy contractors because that will also make us feel good.
And after all, it's not about doing the right thing, it's about feeling good right?

Now if only someone could actually prove that CO2 emissions contribute to global warming we could go ahead and print the t-shirts and sell them for food too!
 

Boober69

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The right wingers as usual are going ballistic with this ruling by the Federal Court of Appeal. This whole idea of building pipelines to transport this tar sands oil to the BC Coast with the Northern Gateway or Energy East Projects went nowhere although they were approved. They would have also been subject to approval by the Appeal Court. Harper had a decade to build them, and he failed. But this Baby Scheer dude will always be critical to the Government although he has no solutions himself, especially with a BC Government opposed to this whole project. We have to wait to see whether this is challenged in the High Court.
"Justin Trudeau: He's Just Not Ready"

btw has that budget balanced itself yet?
 

bver_hunter

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"Justin Trudeau: He's Just Not Ready"

btw has that budget balanced itself yet?
Talk about the economy and how well it has performed since Trudeau took over. It is in the best shape since the Martin / Chretien era. Thank you Liberals, as that clueless Harper did not even acknowledge that Canada was is a recession, until it was hurting many Canadians and then he started acting to try and fix it. Do not worry unless that idiot of a PGOTUS down South does not keep on desperately trying to screw Canada. Especially, as Canada's growth rate was the highest among all the G7 nations. After all Canada needed this trigger after years of a mess up by Harper who created a huge balance of payments deficit over his reign with no real job growth.

The right wingers always put up that bs about "Trudeau is not ready". Are they living on Mars?? Opinion polls say otherwise!!
 
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