Not sure why you think it is a failure for JT. It is certainly a failure for the country.Federal Court of Appeal has quashed approval of Trans Mountain pipeline, another epic failure for Trudeau.
It will eventually get built.After the Appeals court decision this morning, Kinder Morgan shareholders voted 99% in favour of selling the Trans Mountain pipeline to the Federal government. So the taxpayers of Canada will be on the hook for $4.5 billion as Trudeau agreed to buy the pipeline irregardless of the courts decision. Now we’re stuck with a $4.5 billion pipeline that probably won’t be built.
Trudeau is the one who agreed to buy the pipeline off of Kinder Morgan, he was gambling that the courts would uphold the approval process and its backfired on him. As a result the taxpayers must now hand over $4.5 billion to Kinder Morgan whether the pipeline gets built or not.Not sure why you think it is a failure for JT. It is certainly a failure for the country.
Yes but if you believe that the pipeline will be built, and I do, then the government will recoup its money. The worse outcome would have been in KM simply pulled the plug. This a bad out come but not as bad as KM simply walking. This entire episode beginning with the BC governments unconstitutional interference has done great hard to Canada internationally.Trudeau is the one who agreed to buy the pipeline off of Kinder Morgan, he was gambling that the courts would uphold the approval process and its backfired on him. As a result the taxpayers must now hand over $4.5 billion to Kinder Morgan whether the pipeline gets built or not.
Canada does. There are interest groups that do not.I know I'll be sorry I asked, but why wouldn't Canada want this pipeline built?
KK
Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and lots, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed. And just like all of us, pipeline companies skimp on inconvenient and pricey maintenance.I know I'll be sorry I asked, but why wouldn't Canada want this pipeline built?
KK
And yet we all take the risk of having plumbing that might leak (not to mention gas lines!) in every one of our homes. Equipment breaks, messes are made, and the equipment is fixed until the next time it breaks. Your car brakes could also fail the next time you hit the brake pedal. Using technology always entails a risk. So does not using it.Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and los, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed.
Not to mention we shouldn't be feeding our addiction to cars, and the oil would be better turned into plastics here in Canada. That's assuming anyone still can make a profit mining the stuff if we collect the reasonable cost of remediating their pollution up-front instead of letting them go bankrupt and walk away American style.
Others can speak for themselves.
Google Enbridge Kalamazoo for your first PS. On the second PPS: plastics. As you say, you thought wrong, whether about me, about environmentalists, or about the manufactured materials. Working from fewer preconceptions usually improves any thought process. Start a thread if you want to discuss any of those but my own thinking.And yet we all take the risk of having plumbing that might leak (not to mention gas lines!) in every one of our homes. Equipment breaks, messes are made, and the equipment is fixed until the next time it breaks. Your car brakes could also fail the next time you hit the brake pedal. Using technology always entails a risk. So does not using it.
We extract oil because that is where we are at with our energy technology. We work to move beyond fossil fuels, but there is yet to be a viable alternative. A society cannot take a step backward in its technological development and expect that step backward to lead to a step forward.
p.s. Oil companies are really much more effective at addressing leaking pipelines than you suggest. After all, they don't pay all that money to extract it from the ground only to have leak back. They have very sophisticated systems for detecting leaks, maintaining pipelines, and repairing pipelines.
p.p.s. I thought plastics were the ultimate bogeyman of environmentalists. Surprised to see your seeming support for higher plastics production.
A tough weak for JustinFederal Court of Appeal has quashed approval of Trans Mountain pipeline, another epic failure for Trudeau.
One of the so-called "right wingers" who has gone "ballistic" is Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, who has pulled Alberta out of the federal "action plan" on climate change.The right wingers as usual are going ballistic with this ruling by the Federal Court of Appeal.
We should all just ride bicycles and trade arts & crafts for things like food and candles to light our huts.Speaking only for myself: Because pipelines leak. Lots and lots and lots, before anyone gets around to noticing. Then they have to get to the pipeline to fix it, and unlike with roads, (or rail-roads) there's no easy route to the leak. Like when a pipe starts fizzing behind your wall, or the washer hose leaks behind the machine, or the water-heater rusts out in the corner after you've gone to bed. And just like all of us, pipeline companies skimp on inconvenient and pricey maintenance.
Not to mention we shouldn't be feeding our addiction to cars, and the oil would be better turned into plastics here in Canada. That's assuming anyone still can make a profit mining the stuff if we collect the reasonable cost of remediating their pollution up-front instead of letting them go bankrupt when it's all gone, and walk away American style.
Besides, all that land belongs to First Nations most of whom didn't cede it to anyone. What the decision actually says is that, if there is to be a pipeline across that land, it's for them to say so, and be part of the deal. And that would be progress. What the Court turned down was only the usual bad business, as if we'd learned nothing from our mistakes over the decades.
Others can speak for themselves.
"Justin Trudeau: He's Just Not Ready"The right wingers as usual are going ballistic with this ruling by the Federal Court of Appeal. This whole idea of building pipelines to transport this tar sands oil to the BC Coast with the Northern Gateway or Energy East Projects went nowhere although they were approved. They would have also been subject to approval by the Appeal Court. Harper had a decade to build them, and he failed. But this Baby Scheer dude will always be critical to the Government although he has no solutions himself, especially with a BC Government opposed to this whole project. We have to wait to see whether this is challenged in the High Court.
Talk about the economy and how well it has performed since Trudeau took over. It is in the best shape since the Martin / Chretien era. Thank you Liberals, as that clueless Harper did not even acknowledge that Canada was is a recession, until it was hurting many Canadians and then he started acting to try and fix it. Do not worry unless that idiot of a PGOTUS down South does not keep on desperately trying to screw Canada. Especially, as Canada's growth rate was the highest among all the G7 nations. After all Canada needed this trigger after years of a mess up by Harper who created a huge balance of payments deficit over his reign with no real job growth."Justin Trudeau: He's Just Not Ready"
btw has that budget balanced itself yet?