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Puerto Rico revises Hurricane Maria death toll to 2,975 after study

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Puerto Rico's governor says he's revising the official death toll from Hurricane Maria in the wake of a report from George Washington University that estimated the storm caused 2,975 deaths. "Even though it is an estimate, we are officially changing, or we are putting an official number to the death toll," Gov. Ricardo Rossello told reporters Tuesday. "We will take the 2,975 number as the official estimate for the excess deaths as a product of Maria."
Rossello acknowledged that the 2,975 statistic is only an estimate, and not a concrete list of names. Moving forward, he said, officials will continue to investigate deaths from the storm and refine the official tally.
"This is an approximation, a scientific study where the deaths are estimated. We don't have the names," Rossello said. "That is something that will take place throughout this process. And this number can change. It could be less, it could be more, as time passes," he said.
It could take months or years, he said, to come up with a complete list of storm-related deaths.
"We are using the best science available ... to be able to give a sense of closure to all of this," he said. "The truth is there is a lot of work to do."

Hurricane Maria caused an estimated 2,975 deaths in Puerto Rico, according to a new report from George Washington University -- 46 times more than the official toll given by the Puerto Rican government.
Researchers calculated excess deaths that occurred in the US commonwealth between September 2017 and February.
The study was commissioned by the Puerto Rican government after the September 2017 storm.
The latest estimated death toll is far higher than the current official toll of 64.

A key unanswered question: Will the Puerto Rican government now revise its official tally as a result?
Another uncertainty: Will this new study, conducted at the request of Puerto Rican officials, provide any closure to families who've long argued their loved ones died because of the storm, but haven't received any official acknowledgment?
The official Hurricane Maria toll matters in part because families of those who died in the aftermath of the storm are eligible to have some funeral expenses covered by the US government. Experts say higher death tolls drive more disaster aid. And knowing precisely how and why people died can help authorities prevent future hurricane-related deaths.
The George Washington University report, released to the public Tuesday, follows a number of others like it.
The Puerto Rican government also quietly admitted the official toll was higher recently. In a report to Congress earlier this month, the US commonwealth said documents show that 1,427 more deaths occurred in the four months after the storm than "normal," compared with deaths that occurred the previous four years. That figure also appeared in a draft of the report published and opened for public comment in July.
Researchers behind George Washington University's study said they felt they were able to provide a more accurate estimate because they took into account additional factors such as migration.
"I do think this study helps to validate that sense that many people had that there were just too many deaths," said Lynn Goldman, dean of the university's Milken Institute School of Public Health.
But she also stressed that Tuesday's report marks only the first phase of the study.
"In the next phase, we would like to dig down deeper into that number to understand among all the deaths that occurred, which of them were related to Hurricane Maria, which of them would not have occurred if it hadn't been for the storm? We're not able to say that now," Goldman said.
She acknowledged that a complete list may never be possible.
"At the end of the day," she said, "we may never be able to fully identify all those 2,975 people."
'We are not going to revive them'
With many different estimates emerging, it's hard to know who to believe, said Lourdes Rodriguez, whose father, Natalio, died in January.
"This is up and down numbers. No one knows how or from what (source) is the real number," Rodriguez said. "Due to the island being shut down there was no way of knowing anything for a week or week and a half after the event."
Natalio Rodriguez's death hasn't been officially classified as related to the storm, but his family believes Maria was to blame. He died after the generator that was running his breathing machine ran out of gas.
And no study, Lourdes Rodriguez said, can make up for what she and so many other lost.
"We are not going to revive them, unfortunately. We just have to be prepared or get prepared for the next event," Rodriguez said. "September is one of the hottest months of the year, and you see people going to the beach and living in 'la la land' as if nothing is going to come."
Multiple estimates
CNN and other news organizations have been raising questions about the official Hurricane Maria death toll for months. In November, CNN reporters surveyed 112 funeral homes across the island, about half the total. Reporters found that funeral home directors identified 499 deaths they considered to be hurricane-related. In December, The New York Times estimated 1,052 "excess deaths" occurred after Maria. Others produced similar estimates.
A research letter published this month in the medical journal JAMA estimated that between 1,006 and 1,272 people died in connection to the storm.

In May, a team that included researchers from Harvard University published a study in the New England Journal of Medicine estimating that 793 to 8,498 people died in Maria's wake, a range that some academics have criticized as overly broad. The study's midpoint estimate -- 4,645 deaths -- became a rallying cry for activists upset by what they see as a lack of accountability for the scale of the catastrophe by officials in Puerto Rico and the United States.
This year, CNN and the Centro de Periodismo Investigativo (CPI) in Puerto Rico sued the island's Demographic Registry to make public a database with information about everyone who died in the months after the storm.

Using the same database, CNN reported on deaths labeled in government records as hurricane-related that were not counted by officials; and, in partnership with CPI, reported on an apparent leptospirosis "outbreak" that was not identified as an outbreak by authorities.
The network also created an online database the public can use to search for the names of all the people who died in the months after the storm -- and tell reporters about deaths that may have been related to Maria.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/health/puerto-rico-gw-report-excess-deaths/index.html

Trump failed disastrously to help bring aid to his first hurricane stricken state since he took control of the White House. All he could do is take credit for his "accomplishment", and joke about it all when he visited Puerto Rico. What an idiot!!
 

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Right because Texas and Florida didn't recieved relief.

You do realize that ALL relief efforts are coordinated by the Governor and various other politicians right?

The Feds supplied it. The problem was the govt in PR and it's incompetence and corruption.

That's why the press has ignored the situation and felt Porn Stars are more important. They can't blame Trump.
 

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This is not on Trump this is on the failed leadership of Puerto Rico. CNN is a joke.
 

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Right because Texas and Florida didn't recieved relief.

You do realize that ALL relief efforts are coordinated by the Governor and various other politicians right?

The Feds supplied it. The problem was the govt in PR and it's incompetence and corruption.

That's why the press has ignored the situation and felt Porn Stars are more important. They can't blame Trump.
You are taking a Trump like simplistic approach. Read the actual facts where even Republicans reveal the actual facts about the failure of this administration. We know that some right wingers will try to defend Trump, but in reality Trump failed.

https://splinternews.com/i-m-so-tired-of-asking-for-help-letters-from-puerto-ri-1828716993

So do you think that Bernie Sanders is wrong when he says:

President Trump thinks he did a "fantastic job" in Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the new Hurricane Maria death toll is 46 times higher than the government's previous count, going from 64 to 2,975. This is a disgrace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtO51b7Xyc
 

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You are taking a Trump like simplistic approach. Read the actual facts where even Republicans reveal the actual facts about the failure of this administration. We know that some right wingers will try to defend Trump, but in reality Trump failed.

https://splinternews.com/i-m-so-tired-of-asking-for-help-letters-from-puerto-ri-1828716993

So do you think that Bernie Sanders is wrong when he says:

President Trump thinks he did a "fantastic job" in Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the new Hurricane Maria death toll is 46 times higher than the government's previous count, going from 64 to 2,975. This is a disgrace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtO51b7Xyc
The quote was from a long time ago.

And again. It's the Governor that's is responsible. Please note that Florida and Texas both seem to have worked out fine.

It is a disgrace. But this is on FEMA to a small degree and the Puerto Rico govt for most of it.

Oh and a press that ignored it in favor of sensationalism. Just like the opiod crisis, Flint water crisis........
 

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The quote was from a long time ago.

And again. It's the Governor that's is responsible. Please note that Florida and Texas both seem to have worked out fine.

It is a disgrace. But this is on FEMA to a small degree and the Puerto Rico govt for most of it.

Oh and a press that ignored it in favor of sensationalism. Just like the opiod crisis, Flint water crisis........
What Quote are you referring to? Trump's or Bernie Sanders? They were both from a few days ago.

The damage as a result of Hurricane Maria was estimated to be $95 billion. Just 13.7 billion was approved but in stages. Texas and Florida that were always prepared for hurricanes as they were the most vulnerable, and they did receive better aid as compared to Puerto Rico. Power was never fully restored until around a month ago. More could have been done in this respect. How come the blame for Hurricane Katrina went to Bush, and it eventually cost him his job? The right wing tried to blame Governor Kathleen Blanco and the Mayor of New Orleans Nagin for it. Off course the Americans did not buy that nonsense.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mp-carmen-yulin-cruz-death-toll-a8513901.html
 

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What Quote are you referring to? Trump's or Bernie Sanders? They were both from a few days ago.

The damage as a result of Hurricane Maria was estimated to be $95 billion. Just 13.7 billion was approved but in stages. Texas and Florida that were always prepared for hurricanes as they were the most vulnerable, and they did receive better aid as compared to Puerto Rico. Power was never fully restored until around a month ago. More could have been done in this respect. How come the blame for Hurricane Katrina went to Bush, and it eventually cost him his job? The right wing tried to blame Governor Kathleen Blanco and the Mayor of New Orleans Nagin for it. Off course the Americans did not buy that nonsense.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mp-carmen-yulin-cruz-death-toll-a8513901.html
Most of the cost will be covered by private insurance. That's what it's there for.

Logistically an island that already has billions in needed repairs BEFORE the hurricane will be much worse off and take longer to repair.

If the island was unprepared as you say that's on the Governor.

And finally Bush didn't "lose his job". He finished his second term.

And please note the press. One day if coverage and back to giving sir time to Avenetti.

Who doesn't care?
 

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Most of the cost will be covered by private insurance. That's what it's there for.

Logistically an island that already has billions in needed repairs BEFORE the hurricane will be much worse off and take longer to repair.

If the island was unprepared as you say that's on the Governor.

And finally Bush didn't "lose his job". He finished his second term.

And please note the press. One day if coverage and back to giving sir time to Avenetti.

Who doesn't care?
Some of the costs will be covered by private insurance, not all. But, remember that Puerto Rico is not a wealthy part of the USA.

Again, you are defending Trump and distancing yourself from Bernie Sanders. So, you are really no Bernie Sanders supporter.

Electricity, food and Medical aid are the basics that need to be addressed immediately. It was unacceptable to have sizeable portion of the citizens without any electricity and certain basics for up to one year.

Emergency aid is something that the Federal Government will always be responsible for the manner in which they can respond to a crisis.

Again Puerto Rico was never threatened in the past from hurricanes, as it is not considered to be vulnerable. The scale of this devastation needed the Federal help as it is even outside the scope of the local Governor. The military should have also been deployed in this respect and most vulnerable ones should have been flown to the mainland for treatment. No wonder the casualty rate was almost 3000 Puerto Ricans.

Yes, Bush finished his term, but the Republicans paid the price in the following general elections. Trump was patting himself as if the Puerto Rico response was a SUCCESS. It was not, and once again the right wingers always blame the media. Not sure what Avenatti has to do with it??
 

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Some of the costs will be covered by private insurance, not all. But, remember that Puerto Rico is not a wealthy part of the USA.

Again, you are defending Trump and distancing yourself from Bernie Sanders. So, you are really no Bernie Sanders supporter.

Electricity, food and Medical aid are the basics that need to be addressed immediately. It was unacceptable to have sizeable portion of the citizens without any electricity and certain basics for up to one year.

Emergency aid is something that the Federal Government will always be responsible for the manner in which they can respond to a crisis.

Again Puerto Rico was never threatened in the past from hurricanes, as it is not considered to be vulnerable. The scale of this devastation needed the Federal help as it is even outside the scope of the local Governor. The military should have also been deployed in this respect and most vulnerable ones should have been flown to the mainland for treatment. No wonder the casualty rate was almost 3000 Puerto Ricans.

Yes, Bush finished his term, but the Republicans paid the price in the following general elections. Trump was patting himself as if the Puerto Rico response was a SUCCESS. It was not, and once again the right wingers always blame the media. Not sure what Avenatti has to do with it??
No. Bernie was right to call them out. No one else is mind you.

PR needs to become a state. That's the issue. To take full control of their finances, taxation, infrastructure and the like. The issues go back. Way back to when the USA took it in the Spanish American War and Spain refused to take it back. They have been neglected and forgotten by every administration since.

The infrastructure deficit, corruption at the local level, lack of Goud leadership at the local level, no local tax base, island location are the major factors here.

You are in fact treating them the exact same way as I said above. An occasional political football.

As to Avenetti......it's a travesty and indictment of the modern American Press that he gets more at time than this, Flint, opiods, et Al.

And you are one of the offenders in this.
 

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No. Bernie was right to call them out. No one else is mind you.

PR needs to become a state. That's the issue. To take full control of their finances, taxation, infrastructure and the like. The issues go back. Way back to when the USA took it in the Spanish American War and Spain refused to take it back. They have been neglected and forgotten by every administration since.

The infrastructure deficit, corruption at the local level, lack of Goud leadership at the local level, no local tax base, island location are the major factors here.

You are in fact treating them the exact same way as I said above. An occasional political football.

As to Avenetti......it's a travesty and indictment of the modern American Press that he gets more at time than this, Flint, opiods, et Al.

And you are one of the offenders in this.
If Sanders was right to call them out, then why defend Trump? This is his exact quote:

"President Trump thinks he did a "fantastic job" in Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the new Hurricane Maria death toll is 46 times higher than the government's previous count, going from 64 to 2,975. This is a disgrace."

Is it a disgrace? Yes or No? Unless Sanders "like me" is treating this whole affair as a "political football."

There is no proof that the Governor of PR is corrupt, just allegations by the right wing press. But again the intensity of this damage required an emergency aid at the Federal level. The help that they got was not sufficient to meet their needs in spite of pleas by all the governors and mayors.

You really are making excuses for Trump. Bringing Avenatti into the conversation is poor logic.
 

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If Sanders was right to call them out, then why defend Trump? This is his exact quote:

"President Trump thinks he did a "fantastic job" in Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the new Hurricane Maria death toll is 46 times higher than the government's previous count, going from 64 to 2,975. This is a disgrace."

Is it a disgrace? Yes or No? Unless Sanders "like me" is treating this whole affair as a "political football."

There is no proof that the Governor of PR is corrupt, just allegations by the right wing press. But again the intensity of this damage required an emergency aid at the Federal level. The help that they got was not sufficient to meet their needs in spite of pleas by all the governors and mayors.

You really are making excuses for Trump. Bringing Avenatti into the conversation is poor logic.
Sanders in one independent Senator.

Show me where Congress WHO CONTROL THE MONEY are putting forward relief. THEY ARE THE ONES IN CHARGE OF DOING THAT.

When you figure out the actual roles the various govt agencies and elected bodies play as opposed to just constantly laying everything at the feet of the WH then come back and make the argument.

Trump doesn't have the authority to give PR more money. It's that simple.
 

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Trump doesn't give a shit about Puerto Rico because he thinks they're just like Mexicans except separated by a beautiful aquatic "Wall" built for free by Mother Nature. Any argument or deflection that the pathetic response was Congress's fault ignores the fact that Congress shits only when Trump gives them permission.

Here's a thought: IF Trump wants to secure a legacy that might overshadow his gross incompetence, lies, and corruption, he should champion making Puerto Rico a full State. The bonus is that if successful, Trump could then use Puerto Rico's statehood as an excuse to modify the flag. Add another star and then some blue stripes at the same time!
 

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Trump doesn't give a shit about Puerto Rico because he thinks they're just like Mexicans except separated by a beautiful aquatic "Wall" built for free by Mother Nature. Any argument or deflection that the pathetic response was Congress's fault ignores the fact that Congress shits only when Trump gives them permission.

Here's a thought: IF Trump wants to secure a legacy that might overshadow his gross incompetence, lies, and corruption, he should champion making Puerto Rico a full State. The bonus is that if successful, Trump could then use Puerto Rico's statehood as an excuse to modify the flag. Add another star and then some blue stripes at the same time!
I agree with this. But you should add no single member of Congress cares either.

And while laudable the effort needed to do this will be far more than any of them are capable of.

As well the political implications of adding Congressional Seats, 2 senate seats, more Electoral College seats will make both parties balk at it.

It would probably also involve a Constitutional Summit and what can happen at that will make even more people balk.

It should be done. But they can't even fix what's already broken.
 

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Sanders in one independent Senator.

Show me where Congress WHO CONTROL THE MONEY are putting forward relief. THEY ARE THE ONES IN CHARGE OF DOING THAT.

When you figure out the actual roles the various govt agencies and elected bodies play as opposed to just constantly laying everything at the feet of the WH then come back and make the argument.

Trump doesn't have the authority to give PR more money. It's that simple.
But you disagree with Sanders as you hold Trump more dear to your heart.

Show me where Trump who is the one that can urge the Congress to do more, did so? He has no problems scolding them for not offering more in funds to build the wall that Mexico was supposed to have paid for it in the first place!!

The similar roles the various Government agencies involved in the building of the Wall can apply to laying everything at the feet of the Whitehouse. Why do the right wingers take a different approach to this fact when it involves the wall and the funding for it??

Neither does Trump have the authority to give the money to have the Wall built in the first place. Really very, very simple!!
 

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But you disagree with Sanders as you hold Trump more dear to your heart.

Show me where Trump who is the one that can urge the Congress to do more, did so? He has no problems scolding them for not offering more in funds to build the wall that Mexico was supposed to have paid for it in the first place!!

The similar roles the various Government agencies involved in the building of the Wall can apply to laying everything at the feet of the Whitehouse. Why do the right wingers take a different approach to this fact when it involves the wall and the funding for it??

Neither does Trump have the authority to give the money to have the Wall built in the first place. Really very, very simple!!
Dude. Trump doesn't care, neither does Congress, neither does the Press. Neither do most Americans.

They all don't care. So blame all or blame none. But don't blame just one for 100+ years of neglect.
 

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Dude. Trump doesn't care, neither does Congress, neither does the Press. Neither do most Americans.

They all don't care. So blame all or blame none. But don't blame just one for 100+ years of neglect.
Hey Butler Boy, the one in charge of it all is Trump. Suddenly to you the blame goes out to all the Americans in this respect. But the right wingers blamed Obama for everything that was not right, be it Obamacare and The Great Recession. Why do these same right wingers hold Trudeau accountable for everything under the Sun?
 

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Hey Butler Boy, the one in charge of it all is Trump. Suddenly to you the blame goes out to all the Americans in this respect. But the right wingers blamed Obama for everything that was not right, be it Obamacare and The Great Recession. Why do these same right wingers hold Trudeau accountable for everything under the Sun?
No he is not in charge of the Money. Congress is. Ask Toguy or Essguy if I'm right.

And Trudeau is in charge of the money. That's the difference between Canada and the USA.

In a parliament majority we have(within the Constitution and the Charter) elected a dictatorship. There is no check on his spending decisions.

In the USA the President is the Head of State and Commander of the Military. But he does Not set the budget or allocate spending on most things. Congress does.

I blame Congress for Obama Care. And Wall St for the recession. And a by partisan Congress for Gutting Dodd Frank.

Like I said before. Go read up on divisions of power in the USA, then come back.
 

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No he is not in charge of the Money. Congress is. Ask Toguy or Essguy if I'm right.

And Trudeau is in charge of the money. That's the difference between Canada and the USA.

In a parliament majority we have(within the Constitution and the Charter) elected a dictatorship. There is no check on his spending decisions.

In the USA the President is the Head of State and Commander of the Military. But he does Not set the budget or allocate spending on most things. Congress does.

I blame Congress for Obama Care. And Wall St for the recession. And a by partisan Congress for Gutting Dodd Frank.

Like I said before. Go read up on divisions of power in the USA, then come back.
Off course I am aware of the "Divisions of Power". If Obama or any President before that had the control of the various Houses, did their party stall the Presidential plans for releasing the funds like they are doing under this President?? He is the most divisive President that has caused real partisan beliefs in the various Houses. Now do you get it?? Trump has a majority and everything should have been a breeze with regards to his legislations. Why has he put something like the Wall much higher on his agenda compared to really helping the victims that urgently needed the funding in the first place? He should have followed up on the progress with regards to Puerto Rico especially after the various Governors warned him about the insufficient funds and calls for more emergency help. Something that he ignored. Shows how he cared for these people. Bernie Sanders would acknowledge what I said here, but off course we know your real preference between him and Trump!!
 
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