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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

Chicago does not have the strictest gun laws in the country. It’s time for gun lovers to stop spreading that lie.

A decade ago that was indeed a title Chicago wore proudly. We were the only major city that still had an ordinance banning residents from keeping a handgun in their home.

The handgun ban made us the primary target of the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation, and in 2010 the U.S. Supreme Court forced Chicago to fall into line with the rest of the country.

Since then, the courts have peeled off so many layers of our once stellar gun ordinance that it’s barely recognizable. We’re still maneuvering to keep gun stores and shooting ranges from opening in the city limits. But the courts have ruled against us on that, too, so we know it’s just a matter of time.



Remember that old requirement that gun owners in Chicago register their firearms with the city and obtain a permit? Well, that’s gone too.

And thanks to the Illinois General Assembly, which was pressured by the federal courts to pass a concealed carry law in 2013, people can walk the streets of Chicago with a gun attached to their waist and another strapped to their ankle.

Sorry, gun lovers, your attempts to use Chicago as a prop to bolster your claims that gun control laws do nothing to curb gun violence just don’t hold up.

New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s.

Those kinds of details don’t fit the conservative, pro-gun narrative, though. To use New York as a talking point, they’d have to admit that strict gun laws might actually have an impact on homicide rates.

We don’t make excuses for our ghastly homicide numbers in Chicago. With 762 people killed last year, no one has to remind us that we have a serious gun problem. We own it. And we have to do something about it.

But we are tired of Donald Trump and pro-gun advocates using our city to promote their political agenda.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders dragged Chicago into the fray again on Monday when responding to a reporter’s question about gun policy in the aftermath of the mass shooting in Las Vegas.

“One of the things that we don’t want to do is try to create laws that won’t stop these types of things from happening,” Sanders said at a news conference. “I think if you look to Chicago where you had over 4,000 victims of gun-related crimes, they have the strictest gun laws in the country and that certainly hasn’t helped there.”

Sanders should listen to U.S. Rep. Robin Kelly, D-Ill., who argues that the problem is Chicago being surrounded by red states that have completely surrendered to the pro-gun lobby.



With no gun stores in Chicago and no background check loopholes for private sales, one thing is clear. The guns being used to kill people on the streets aren’t originating in Chicago. They’re coming from someplace else.

When politicians and others repeat that ridiculous statement about Chicago’s gun laws, it shows how out of touch they are with the problems urban areas face when it comes to gun violence.

When it comes to gun laws, big cities are only as strong as the states that border them. And in Chicago’s case, that’s Indiana. Thanks to Vice President Mike Pence, the former governor, Indiana has some of the weakest gun laws in the nation.

While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago.

Those with felony convictions commonly use straw purchases, in which they enlist someone with a clean record to purchase multiple guns and bring them into the city.

Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi. The other 40 percent come from suburban Cook County and nearby suburbs.

It’s tough, but we can try to sort out the bad apples in our own state and shut them down. But we’re helpless when it comes to regulating Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi.

Congress could do something, though. Lawmakers could pass legislation requiring universal background checks. That would close federal loopholes on background checks at gun shows and other private sales.

Congress could also limit the number of guns that can be purchased by one person in a period of time. And lawmakers could toughen penalties for straw purchases.

Military-style assault weapons already are banned in the city of Chicago, but in most other places in Illinois and in most other states, they can be purchased as easily as a handgun. If Congress really wanted to stop massacres like the one in Las Vegas from occurring, lawmakers could pass a federal assault weapons ban to replace the one that expired in 2004.

The gun lovers in Washington don’t want to talk about these things, though. It’s a lot easier to just keep picking on Chicago.
 

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Unmentioned is that it has a huge amount to do with the Mayor and City Council having tied the hands of the Chicago Police Department


The Chicago Tribune certainly isn't the newspaper it was under Colonel McCormick!
 

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Unmentioned is that it has a huge amount to do with the Mayor and City Council having tied the hands of the Chicago Police Department


The Chicago Tribune certainly isn't the newspaper it was under Colonel McCormick!
The police hands are tied from stopping the guns coming into the city?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-police-accountability-20151204-story.html

Who makes them accountable? Seems like they're hands are free in so many other ways. Tribune seems to be getting brave and being better for it by telling the truth. A truth that so many tried to hide and ignore for so long.
 

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The City of Chicago forbade stop and frisk even of known gang members acting suspiciously.
I'm willing to bet that Chicago Police can obtain warrants to search "known gang members acting suspiciously". They just have to satisfy a judge. And they can respond to actual incidents by examining such people if they appear to be connected with the occurrence, but they have to support the supposed connection in a Court.

If and when a competent jurisdiction can pass a 'stop and frisk' law capable of withstanding a Constitutional challenge, the Chicago Police may find they have greater authority than they do now. History has demonstrated the necessity of those safeguards; it's why they exist.

But if Police routinely go beyond the limits of the law, soon there is no respect for Law, only for raw power. For that you buy guns. When the Police enforce the law according to the law, you don't need them.
 

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I'm willing to bet that Chicago Police can obtain warrants to search "known gang members acting suspiciously". They just have to satisfy a judge.
By which time said gang member is long gone since they have no right to detain them.

Stop and Frisk has been upheld -- this was a political decision.
 

oldjones

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By which time said gang member is long gone since they have no right to detain them.

Stop and Frisk has been upheld -- this was a political decision.
A political decision made at the time of the Bill of Rights. If the Police turned their mere suspicions into 'reasonable grounds' to get a warrant from a judge, why would they be so incompetent as to let said gang-member go before executing it?
 

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Chicago and DC had very restrictive gun laws and many shootings. Gun laws are ineffective, the causality is backwards.

Stop and Frisk worked well in NYC, it undoubtedly saved lives but it’s very likely unconstitutional.

326 people have been killed in Chicago YTD, 2 in self defense, 4 by cops. Do we think Cops and the Concealed Carry citizens are the issue in Chicago?

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So if we believe that article then a decade ago things must ha e been hunky dory in Chicago, with no murder or shootings.

Here's proof how amazing gun control works

 

cunning linguist

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I'm willing to bet that Chicago Police can obtain warrants to search "known gang members acting suspiciously". They just have to satisfy a judge. And they can respond to actual incidents by examining such people if they appear to be connected with the occurrence, but they have to support the supposed connection in a Court.

If and when a competent jurisdiction can pass a 'stop and frisk' law capable of withstanding a Constitutional challenge, the Chicago Police may find they have greater authority than they do now. History has demonstrated the necessity of those safeguards; it's why they exist.

But if Police routinely go beyond the limits of the law, soon there is no respect for Law, only for raw power. For that you buy guns. When the Police enforce the law according to the law, you don't need them.
Oh the irony of being pro-gun registration but being anti-carding. Hypocrisy, much?
 

oldjones

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Oh the irony of being pro-gun registration but being anti-carding. Hypocrisy, much?
Huh?

Just to be clear carding is a Canadian police procedure subject to our Canadian Criminal Code and Charter, stop and frisk is a municipal police procedure used in Chicago under its municipal bylaws and state criminal law, subject to the US Bill of Rights

Do you have a point to make? About Chicago? About Canada? About registering guns, not people? Or any point to make at all?
 

cunning linguist

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Huh?

Just to be clear carding is a Canadian police procedure subject to our Canadian Criminal Code and Charter, stop and frisk is a municipal police procedure used in Chicago under its municipal bylaws and state criminal law, subject to the US Bill of Rights

Do you have a point to make? About Chicago? About Canada? About registering guns, not people? Or any point to make at all?
Just calling you out on your bullshit, is all.
 

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Huh?

Just to be clear carding is a Canadian police procedure subject to our Canadian Criminal Code and Charter, stop and frisk is a municipal police procedure used in Chicago under its municipal bylaws and state criminal law, subject to the US Bill of Rights

Do you have a point to make? About Chicago? About Canada? About registering guns, not people? Or any point to make at all?
I wasn’t aware that Chicago was using stop and frisk. NYC used it under Bloomberg to great success but the current Mayor stopped the practice.
 

K Douglas

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Democrats can never own their own mistakes can they? It's always pass the buck. Blaming Indiana gun laws for Chicago's high murder rate is asinine.
 

oldjones

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I wasn’t aware that Chicago was using stop and frisk. NYC used it under Bloomberg to great success but the current Mayor stopped the practice.
I think, if you follow this thread from the top, you will find that's also the case in Chicago, according to Aardvark. I only mentioned it to clarify for cunny, that he was entering a Chicago thread but referring to a procedure — 'carding' — that Chicago never knew.

Heavy-handed police thuggery and steamrollering individual rights are often effective in the short-term. It's why those are the textbook tactics of dictators and <who knew?> police-states. But in the long run, people won't tolerate them and start getting high ideas like liberty and rights. I understand your country was had experience with such rebels and I'm told there's a right to bear arms in your Constitution, arguably to counter just such police-state behaviour, albeit with even more violence.
 

oldjones

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Democrats can never own their own mistakes can they? It's always pass the buck. Blaming Indiana gun laws for Chicago's high murder rate is asinine.
Only if it would be asinine to ignore the easy access to guns just an hour's drive south of here, when considering the increase in gun deaths in Toronto.
 
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