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renuck

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Hey guys. Long time lurker researching but first post here.

I've been to see MPAs about 8 times now. I'm thinking on expanding my horizons and seeing an independent. I've been reading lots and trying to do my own homework but haven't found answers to a few probably very basic questions I have. I'll use a few sites as reference because they are mentioned here often - and obviously being considered. And I am absolutely not taking any jabs at any of them, strictly for reference. If that's not cool by the people who have the sites please let me know!

1.) Where is the meet?! Amy's site says to take advantage of when she's in "the city" and then gives rates for travel expenses. What city? Also does she have a place or am I expected to have a place since the travel costs are openly quoted? The Phoenix House sounds to me like a place that has an established location, yet in their "house rules" they specifically state that I have to have my house or hotel clean. That looks like a big grey area. I've read in a lot of reviews that clients go to hotels and are then given room numbers when on-site, so is this what this is?. Is this the norm?

2.) Many of them state good hygiene is a must. Great, and I 100% agree. So can I shower when I get there, where ever I'm going? I'd like to. Phoenix house states that I should be prepared to have one, but where? Also another provider that will remain nameless since she hates this site (I respect her desire to stay off the radar since I would like to too) preaches about personal hygiene and being cleanly showered yet no specific mention having a shower available that I can use when I get there. Should I assume there is one available?

3.) Say these said providers have a set location. I assume I wont be given the exact location until after I book an appointment. But what if that location is across the road from someone I work with? Obviously I cant go for anonymity reasons yet it looks bad to the provider giving a location then having a cancellation. What's the etiquette here?

I'm sure I had a couple more questions but can't think of them now, so I'll add them when I think of them but I would appreciate some guidance.

Thanks for any help!
Breww
 

dirkd101

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Most ladies that tour into the area will let you know a general area of where they are located. It's easy to figure out the general area yourself, as most motels/hotels are in the same area, so if you work around any this general area or know someone around there, you'll know if you're safe to proceed. This answers a few of your questions.

PH I believe has their own IC location. As far as the "house rules" go, I would hazard a guess that this applies to you if you are seeking an OC to your location.

Shower is usually provided at the IC location if they are reputable. If they don't provide you with the ability to shower, then they shouldn't bitch about how fresh someone is, especially when it's hot an humid out.
 

bcd

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...clients go to hotels and are then given room numbers when on-site, so is this what this is?. Is this the norm?...
Dirk answered a few of your questions but to answer these, yes and yes, that is the norm. As some girls have mentioned in their ads, the exact location and room number should be the last question(s) you ask. During the initial communication be it via text or phone call, once details that the provider is willing to provide are discussed and a booking is confirmed, you would then ask for a general area or intersection to travel to. Some will prefer this, some will tell you immediately the address of the apartment, condo or hotel. Once you reach the general area or intersection, you would then contact her and ask for the exact location. The room number is typically not provided until you arrive.

Happy times ahead! Don't be shy to ask more questions.
 

renuck

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Thanks that helps a lot. Sounds strange but I feel the same nervousness as I did before I went to see my first MPA. I guess a new set of unknowns.
 

bcd

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Nervousness is normal at first, and you'll still get a little nervous every time you meet someone new. It will get less so with time and experience. Enjoy yourself!
It is a good nervousness of course and I am sure the nervousness is felt by both of the parties so it evens out the playing field.
 

Jack_attack

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To answer the shower question: this is another case-by-case thing and best practice is to ask them ahead of time or to just go ahead and shower before you come. All ladies differ, but I can kind of narrow them down to a few types.

1. Ladies that ask that you shower before you come
2. Ladies that provide a shower if you ask but will trust you if you say that you showered before coming
3. Ladies that require you to have a shower when you arrive

There's logistical problems associated with offering showers. Namely that they have to provide you with soap and shampoo and a clean towel. And how many times can you request a clean towel to a hotel room before they cut you off like a drunk at a bar?

As for question 3, I once bailed on an agreed appointment specifically because of the motel they named. A well-known sting site for cops looking to pick up Johns and also just a seedy motel in general where you're more likely to walk out of your session with fleas than you are with crabs. At this point we were still just texting and I hadn't even left my house yet so I didn't have any qualms about bailing. You just tell her "Sorry, can't do that location, too dangerous. Have a good day." and hope that you don't get responses in all caps. And if you do, the block button is available for a reason. What else are they gonna do? Your safety is important too.

Just want to add on to the end here that it seems like you're coming in to the escort business with the same expectations built from the MP business. They're not the same. MP's are typically running an incorporated business that at least somewhat follows the basic principles of business operation (aka disclosing location up front, having set hours of operation, set prices, a management team, etc.) SPs don't operate this way, especially independents. They make their own hours, they fluctuate on price at a whim, and as you've already figured out - they don't tell you where they are until you're there. It's two different worlds that just happen to have the same end goal. It's why a lot of people prefer MPs over SPs. There's none of that mystery, everything's pretty well clear cut and safe. It's like preferring to buy a burger from the McDonalds on Ritson instead of from that man with a barbecue on the corner of Albert and Olive.

Sure the man with the barbecue makes a cheaper burger. Maybe it's even the best burger in the world. Maybe it sucks though. Maybe he won't rob you. Who knows? At least with McDonalds you know what you're getting. Nice and safe.
 

renuck

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Just want to add on to the end here that it seems like you're coming in to the escort business with the same expectations built from the MP business. They're not the same
Yeah I kinda have a vague idea of what to expect but the finer points were missing. Thanks to the above posts most of that has been filled in (I think?) as best they can. So I guess the next question is recommendations. I was thinking Phoenix House since they seem to be an in between. Apparently a fixed location , or likely a couple, but they seem structured and they have a schedule posted. I don't get the luxury of being able to drop off the radar for a couple hours very often so it's helpful to have a schedule available to look at to plan things out a little in advance. I'm open to suggestions though.

Another question, I usually go for an hour when I go to MPs. I gives me time to relax and never seems rushed. Is there any reason I shouldn't do the same when seeing a SP? From their POV I would assume they would prefer and hour as well since it's more economical for them, or am I mistaken?

Thanks again!
Breww
 

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The fixed location and on-line sched is your best bet fro being able to drop off the radar easier. BP girls can frustrate you when they disappear when you arrive or pull the five more minute routine...and 30 minutes later...


An agency is usually better at sticking to a time booked. Better for you in regards to getting out.

I myself always liked an hour, as it gave me a more relaxing and unrushed time, which is exactly what you are looking for.

The economics for them isn't what you should be thinking about, it's the economics from your end. They offer both HH's and Hrs, so you choose what best suits your wallet and time.
 

Jack_attack

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An hour will provide you with more time to bond with the SP and will almost always give you MSOG (should you be one of the lucky ones who can handle that kind of privilege). With an hour, a good SP will chat you up first, spend some more time putting you at ease, maybe throw in a massage, and they'll spend a lot more time on the fun stuff. With a hh, I find it's a lot more too the point. "Hi, how are you?" blah blah on the bed, clothes off, don't make her late for her next appointment, etc.

All that being said, if you're like me, you don't want to shell out for an hour and end up with a girl you don't connect with or, even worse, a BAD provider. I'd recommend dipping your toes with a hh and then, if everything was good, repeat with an hour.
 

renuck

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Welp, made an appointment to see my first SP today and it was a fail, they had to cancel the appointment. I have to say communication was great and from what I was told the circumstances were beyond their control so I can't fault them. To their credit I was offered (very fair) compensation for when I re-book. I'll keep it to myself who this was for now to see how it plays out. If it's legit and they honour the agreement then it'll be a big thumbs up review. If not....

All that being said, if you're like me, you don't want to shell out for an hour and end up with a girl you don't connect with or, even worse, a BAD provider. I'd recommend dipping your toes with a hh and then, if everything was good, repeat with an hour.
I completely understand what you're saying and your logic makes sense. However, planning time for this I'm always looking 3-4 weeks out minimum. Also I'm a longs ways off seeing anybody that isn't well reviewed. I understand that doesn't mean we'll 'click' but it reduces the chances of a bad experience. I'd rather walk away from that money I spent to get the extra 1/2 hour than wish I'd gone for it from the start.

Take care,
Breww
 

dirkd101

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That's part of the game brewguy, the cancellations, but at least there is an offer of compensation for you and keeping it to yourself, as to how much, is a good way of conducting yourself here.

For legit agencies, things that the girls do are out of their direct control and even with legit indy ladies, life happens.
 

renuck

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Thanks for the pointer on conduct dirk! I still find it a bit strange (being new) to discuss this industry somewhat openly that is so heavily based on discretion and anonymity. I'm just hoping to not accidentally say something stupid or offend someone.

And FWIW the sp had to cancel because the neighbours had shit going on.
 
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