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Leaffan1976

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Well it was quite a finish. I really felt bad for Mickelson that double bogey was a real shock. Bit Goosen really had a good tournament I think he was the only one under par on Sunday.

I can understand the anger displayed by Tiger and the other guys about USGA's mismanagement of the course that resulted in a lot of high scores.

This is a major tournament they should of taken the steps to make sure the course was maintained to allow for fair competition.

As far as Woods going 0 for 8 on major's I wonder if his best days are behind him. He still would of been a ways back even if the course was taken care of.

What do u guys think? Is Mickelson the man now? Or maybe Singh?
 

Goober Mcfly

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I think Tiger Woods is thinking about the wrong balls now that he's dating that Nordgren babe....
 

ballgame

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Mickelson is the man.

I have never liked the US open because of how they set up the course. I can go to my local club and watch people make double bogeys all day long. I watch the tour for the great scores. Watching the best in the world struggle just to make par, is not fun for me. I don't beleive anyone played under par yesterday. Watching a shot land on the proper part of the green and rolling off is just not fair.
 

Bill the Pirate

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Tiger is having some problems for sure, but its way too early to count his career over. Golf is a fickle game and the difference between being on the leader board and an also ran is about 1mm on your irons. I don't know what his stats are but I would think that his greens in regulations is off a tad. Don't forget the personal side of tiger .. he is mentally and phisically involved with his girl freind, he has allmost nothing left to prove, he has more money than anyone could wish for, maybe he is just not mentally focused on being the best right now. When he regains his hunger things will change.

He will be back
 

Leaffan1976

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yeah ballgame ur right no one was under par. I think Tiger's girl is a distraction for sure I mean I find it hard to focus at work when I'm thinking of the girls I have met being in this hobby lol

They were saying yesterday how Nicklaus went through the same problem as Tiger and managed to come back.

Tiger is still young and it looks like he has no plans to leave the game so he may be back at the top of the leaderboard soon.

It's nice to have someone else win for a change thoough. Tiger has made his point that hes a very good golfer now its time to let mickelson or whoever to enjoy that attention!
 

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Even though some aspects of the setup can be construed as unfair, I think it makes it more interesting to see the players deal with things that they're not used to. Let's see how well they deal with adversity like we mortals do. They're still pulling off shots we can't so you can still appreciate their talent, but this type of course forces them to improvise and you can see a hole played many different ways. Who's approach to the game works best? Who can figure out a different way to skin the cat?

The players say it's unfair, but if it's the same for everyone then that satisfies my definition of fair. I also feel this type of course can produce huge lead swings in just a hole or two which increases the unpredictability and as a result the excitement level as well. If these guys just keep getting birdies and pars it's so hard for leads to change. I thought it was exciting how Mickelson came back from 3 down to take a 1 stroke lead in just 2 or 3 holes and then just like that Goosen was back up by 2 after his birdie on 16 and Phil's double on 17.

Let the players whine, but it's only 1 tournament a year and it's the same for everyone. And wasn't everyone complaining after the first 2 days that the course wasn't playing tough enough? You just can't satisfy people.
 

Ranger68

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It's not that it was "tough", it's that it was "stupid".
Come on - guys hitting balls all over greens and watching them roll off in every direction?
It was silly.
I thought Tiger was just whining when he said "the course doesn't reward good shots", but he was right on.
It rewarded little but sheer luck. Goosen was just the luckiest.
I'm all for letting the rough grow, and making the bunker play as hard as possible - penalize bad play - but that's not what they did. They tricked up "safe" parts of the course - the greens - so as not to reward *good* play. THAT'S what made it so hard.
It was an idiotic tournament - easily the worst US Open in a long time.
It's no surprse the USGA is now SCRAMBLING to defend themselves, and the greenskeeper has said he wants no part of any further discussions on the topic.
I don't blame him.
 

Leaffan1976

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Well let's hope that everyone will be happy at the next tournament. Your right Ranger it was silly. I'm sure a lot of them could of made their shots if the greens were properly maintained.

Hopefully for next years us open they will be prepared.

It's like with hockey for example if the ice isnt right for playing the pucks will be bouncing around when they shouldnt and in the end it will affect how they game is played.
 

superquad1968

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The course should be tough. I'm tired of overpaid whiners shoot 66 every day for four days. Thus is the 1st or 2nd best tournament in the world. It SHOULD be tough!

The only reason Mickelson the choke artist lost was because he three putted from 5 feet. Nothing to do with the course.

To all those whiners. It was the same for everyone. Deal with it! Goosen dealt with it the best He outplayed the rest, ergo, he won!

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shack

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They complain every year that this tournament is too tough. Sometimes they complain that the fairways are too narrow or they slope to the rough too much or the rough is too thick. This year it was the greens they complained about.

Goosen won because he played the best, not because he was luckiest. If only luck is involved, why is it that the winner is usually someone who is one of the elite players. The list of winners is a who's who in the world of golf.

On a side note, maybe Goober and Ranger can debate who was the better player. Was it Goosen by definition because he won or Mickelson because he played better except on the greens?
 

Leaffan1976

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Goosen did have a great game and I think the expectation was for Mickelson to win. To win two major's in a row the Masters and the U.S. Open was a lot of pressure for Mickelson so maybe it wasnt the fault of the USGA for not taking care of the course and that he couldnt handle the pressure resulting in a double bogey.

It was disappointing but hey he came in 2nd and I think he will be amongst the top golfers for a while now. He has the right attitude as hes shown smiling a lot. I think if you have a positive attitude then u will get good results. So Mickelson will come back strong in the next tourney!
 

superquad1968

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Choke artist because he has contended for so long at the majors (where your reputation is gained or lost) and only sealed the deal once. He and Greg Norman have so much in common...

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ballgame

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Hardly, one is full of himself (Norman) and the other is the consumate gentleman. Even when those who have never successfully competed offer their critique of his game. To wear that famous "Greatest player to never ....." handle has to be the worst thing for any player. This in a sport where you only get paid if your successful. The public can be so cruel.
 

superquad1968

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His gentlemanly status is not in question. He appears to be quite a nice guy. I refer only to his golf game. Many have one major. His task, if he is considered to be better than good, is to do it again.

As for being paid if you're successful (i.e. make the cut). These guys don't have to worry. They are pampered more than just about any pro and amateur athlete I know. Their endorsements and appearance fees are astronomical. He's made almost $5million in earnings and the year is only half over. His deal with Ford is in the 7 figures, his deal forhis golf clubs, clothes, balls, etc. All in I'd guess his take in a year is between $12-15million/ year.

I also wish he gained a personality (like many of the PGA Tour) Where are the Palmers, Chi-Chis, etc?

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Ranger68

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The problem, Leaffan, is that they WERE maintained - the greens were rolled in preparation for the tournament, to make them exceptionally tough - at the USGA's insistence.

It was tough, alright. I just didn't like it so tough that it removed MOST skill from the game. Neither did many other people. Most, perhaps. I don't care whether the players whine or not - let them. But, I DO want to see the best golfer win. I'm not sure we did.

If a hockey game is played on a terrible ice surface, sure it's the same for both teams. That doesn't mean it's a desirable way to play, or that the winner is just as deserving as if the game were played under better conditions. Just like in golf, a bad surface removes skill from the equation to some degree.

And that's what happened.

The USGA has taken enough flak that this won't happen again soon, thankfully. :)
 

Ranger68

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I've never seen a US Open like this one. Forget the rough, which they always complain about - THAT'S whining - the rough is *meant* to penalize bad play.

This tournament was absolutely silly.

Skill isn't *removed* from the equation, but the greens were so tricked up, that even those players who could hit them (more than just Goosen) couldn't count on any reasonable result.

Sorry, guys, but ANY RATIONAL GOLFER who thinks that tournament was fair or reasonable is wrong. I haven't heard ANYONE defend it to this point.
 

Leaffan1976

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Well it will be interesting to see what happens in the next tournament. Hopefully I wont have to post something like this again lol

Im not a golfer myself but have followed it on TV and from talking with my buddies. As a golf fan I was dissappointed in what I saw.
 
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