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Gretzky Who??

RayFinkel

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Just try and break the Golden Wayne records.
1)2857 carrer points
2)1487 Games Played 11th all time. But 1#points
3)1963 carrer assists
4)894 carrer goals
5)Gretzky never won Rookie of the year.

If you played 15 years and scored 150 points each year
you would have 2250 points for your carrier. Spelling Mistake.

You would still need 607n point just to tie The Wayner.
Micheal Jordens Stats dont even come close to the Great One.

Like Myself Be proud to be from the Great White North.
If you think about it.n Canadian`s have the best Athelete in History.

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happywanderer

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He could never win Rookie of the Year because he started in the WHA. When the NHL absorbed the 4 remaining WHA teams, he obviously wasn't a rookie anymore.


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n_v

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happywanderer said:
He could never win Rookie of the Year because he started in the WHA. When the NHL absorbed the 4 remaining WHA teams, he obviously wasn't a rookie anymore.
And yet rookie of the year was handed out to guys in their 20's to russian's and czech's in the early 90's after they played many seasons pro hockey in their respective years.
 

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Rule changes.

Gretzy benefitted from the four on four system when there were offsetting penalties. A four on four was so freewheeling it felt as if both teams were on powerplay.
 

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Re: Rule changes.

joefave said:
Gretzy benefitted from the four on four system when there were offsetting penalties. A four on four was so freewheeling it felt as if both teams were on powerplay.
How many of his 2800 points came on 4 on 4? He also had no overtime with 4 on 4 which they have now so I don't think your point had much impact in terms of Gretzky's success.
 

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I dunno..... Jordan was as dominant as I've ever seen an athlete. He carried his teams to championships. He was the single dominant force on those Bulls teams. His confidence, will, sheer desire and intensity was incredible. It was him and a bunch of role players (yes Pippen is overrated).

Wayne, as great as he was, had a lot of help on those Oilers teams. how many HOF'ers were on those Oilers teams in the '80s?
 

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n_v said:
And yet rookie of the year was handed out to guys in their 20's to russian's and czech's in the early 90's after they played many seasons pro hockey in their respective years.
Stastny for example.

Have any other "rookie" euros/russian won the Calder after they played "professionally" at home?
 

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Yes, I missed him originally when I was looking down the list. 1981 for Quebec and Makarov was in 1990.
 

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Back to thread.

Gretzky dominates statistically. But could he outplay players/teams like he did in this era?
 

revolver

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Interesting. Nine Maple Leafs have won the Calder Trophy, more than any other team, but none since 1966.

I think it might be more difficult in this era but if you could put him back with all the outstanding players he had with him on the Oilers in his day in their prime, possibly.
 

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ToronToto said:
Back to thread.

Gretzky dominates statistically. But could he outplay players/teams like he did in this era?
Lets reverse that and put players of this era back with Gretsky when he was in his hay day. Keeping everything equal, how would the elite players of today measure up against the Great One, and all the other talented players who were on his line?

They wouldn't i'm afraid.

The only player that was so dominint other than Wayne was Mario Lemeiux. It would have been interesting if Mario could have maintained his health how many of Gretsky's records he would have broken. --- Kev
 

revolver

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The dominant players would do well in any era. Gretzky and Lemieux are not the only dominant players. Orr, Hull, Howe, Richard were all dominant and would have done well at any time. I think it was on NHL.com where I read their pic as the top 6 players by position and it sounds pretty good.

Goal - Roy
Defense - Orr, Harvey
Left Wing - Hull
Right Wing - Howe
Center - Gretzky

These were all dominant players.
 

healer677

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Alright....I love lists!


I happen to agree with your selections, but; how about a second, third and fourth line? Maybe a backup goalie as well.

Can we also consider players....who never played in the NHL? Maybe if they played for the Red Army team or the Dynamo?
 

healer677

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oh another thing - I dont think its fair to compare would have beens to actual facts.

IMHO, yes Lemieux is great and Orr was an offensive juggernaut, BUT...they were hurt....their carrers were cut short...that sucks but thats part of the game.

Part of what makes Gretzky great was his longevity. Regardless of wether he got "good" calls from the refs or if he had bodyguards on the ice - IRRELEVANT. His records speak for themselves...match it or sit down.


I've gotten tired of the nay sayers saying...."If Lemieux wasn't hurt....or if Orr had better knees....blah, blah - tey did, Gretzky didn't.....thats the way it is. Maybe one day a young player might come around to beat those records, maybe surpass them (Wayne seems to have confidence in Crosby), but; not today.
 

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revolver said:

Defense - Orr, Harvey
Left Wing - Hull
Right Wing - Howe
These were all dominant players.
No one mentioned here measures up to Gretzky.........NO ONE. Its not even close.

Orr was an awesome player granted but he got hurt....the game was over for him to early in his career to establish any kind of comparisons equal to Gretsky. --- Kev
 

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revolver said:
The dominant players would do well in any era. Gretzky and Lemieux are not the only dominant players. Orr, Hull, Howe, Richard were all dominant and would have done well at any time. I think it was on NHL.com where I read their pic as the top 6 players by position and it sounds pretty good.

Goal - Roy
Defense - Orr, Harvey
Left Wing - Hull
Right Wing - Howe
Center - Gretzky

These were all dominant players.
I'd done my own list a long time ago and realized there were lots of good choices at all positions except for left wing, which for some reason aside from Hull Sr. has never had a truly dominating player. Who do you pick after Hull? Mahovlich? Bucyk? Barber?There are some guys with good career stats but none who could carry a team on his back like any of the other listed guys. My choice for second best LW is Alexander Yakushev. (How's that healer?)

Rev's list is pretty good. My changes would be Jacques Plante in goal (he had such flair) and Denis Potvin as second D. Cases could be made for Larry Robinson, Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey. I never saw Harvey play, but he did dominate in his era.
 

revolver

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Kev said:
No one mentioned here measures up to Gretzky.........NO ONE. Its not even close.

Orr was an awesome player granted but he got hurt....the game was over for him to early in his career to establish any kind of comparisons equal to Gretsky. --- Kev
Certainly true if all you are comparing is stats. But if you are talking skill level comparisons and the ability to dominate a game then no one compares to Orr. Not even Gretzky. Hell, Orr dominated the 76 Canada Cup basically on one leg.

His stats were quite good for a short career. From 68 through 75 he owned the Norris Trophy. During that time he had six 100+ point seasons and won two Art Ross Trophies and three consecutive Hart Trophies. No other defenceman has ever won the Art Ross. The only other defenceman to win the Hart Trophy is Pronger in 2000. Too bad his career didn't extend into the 80's. It would have been nice to see both him and Gretzky playing in the same era.
 
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