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GAME 7 - Ottawa @ Toronto - 7pm - Tuesday, April 20, 2004

Johnny Wadd

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There are reasons for concern.

The Leafs have always had a mental edge on the Sens and a bit of pressure by our boys and the Sens would fold. This series though, the Sens have battled back and shown heart and intensity I have never seen from them before.

The Leafs have always had a physical edge on the Sens. They could just ground them into dust and force them into submission. If hits were still being counted, I would bet the Sens would be leading the Leafs in hits and they are not love taps either.

I have watched Roberts, Tucker and Marchment limp away grimacing after Sens hits, when these guys are usually causing other players to do that.

The Sens are beating the Leafs to most pucks and we look quite slow and lacking in offensive flair comparatively.

Lalime (who was pegged to be Lalame) has shone and is now tied in goals scored on him with Eddie, even with Eddie having 3 SO's.

Speaking of the SO's, it is quite distressing that unless the Sens are shut out, we lose.

NOW...

With all of that said, why do I still beleaf?

The Leafs feed on adversity and for whatever reason (last year in Philly aside) they seem to save their best for when their back is against the wall.

It is a team full of vets who know how to reach down to another level and find a way to win.

I really think Sundin will come back, which in addition to what he brings skill and leadership wise, will also be a boost for the Leafs emotionally and a bit of an emotional let down for the Sens.

The Leafs fought hard for home ice and they will not allow themselves to sqaunder it. They will take advantage of the home ice they earned and will come out hard and take it to the Sens. Let's face it, the Leafs have yet to play a really good solid 60 minutes and one has to think that 9 captains, multiple Cup winners and vets can find it in themselves to get it done in a game 7 at home.

Last, but not least, giving up on the team sucks. One thing I learned during the whole "blow Leafs blow" thing, is that being a fan means sometimes they will play well and sometimes they won't, sometimes they'll win and sometimes they'll lose and through it all you either love and support them or you don't.

There is no middle ground, nor should there be.

Do I have well founded concerns? Yes!

Am I going to give up on the team and start thinking about next year? NO!

Why? It's because I am a fan and that is what fans do. They believe right to the bitter end and support their team win, lose or draw.

Leafs in 7

Go Leafs Go!
 

n_v

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Johnny Wadd said:
The Leafs feed on adversity and for whatever reason (last year in Philly aside) they seem to save their best for when their back is against the wall.
Their backs have been against the wall for the past 37 springs and how many cups have you counted since?

It is a team full of vets who know how to reach down to another level and find a way to win.
They showed that veteran leadership last night being outhustled to the puck all night. You can't will yourself to skate faster my friend.

... one has to think that 9 captains, multiple Cup winners and vets can find it in themselves to get it done in a game 7 at home.
You ever hear of having too many chefs in the kitchen??


....Why? It's because I am a fan and that is what fans do. They believe right to the bitter end and support their team win, lose or draw.
Exatly the people MLSE are looking for as they hear the sweet sound of the register go KACHING!!!!!!!!!
 

The Doctor

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n_v said:
Exatly the people MLSE are looking for as they hear the sweet sound of the register go KACHING!!!!!!!!!
And Eugene's got a boat load of them as well in Ottawa.
 

n_v

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The Doctor said:
And Eugene's got a boat load of them as well in Ottawa.
Difference is that in Ottawa it is a two way relationship between ownership and fans. In Toronto it's only one way - The fans putting up the cash and the ownership time and again giving nothing back. Just duping the people into false hopes.
 

The Doctor

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n_v said:
Just duping the people into false hopes.
Sorry, I didn't know you've already purged the Rod Bryden years and the Firestones from the Sens history books already?
 

n_v

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The Doctor said:
Sorry, I didn't know you've already purged the Rod Bryden years and the Firestones from the Sens history books already?
I haven't, but those years for the ownership were filled with financial issues, andthe arena wasn't always sold out. However, the Leafs have never had to deal with that.
 

The Doctor

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n_v said:
I haven't, but those years for the ownership were filled with financial issues, andthe arena wasn't always sold out. However, the Leafs have never had to deal with that.
And that's reason to scoff at MLSE? This whole bit about Leafs fans being mindless drones who accept complacency and fork over their money regardless of the product on the ice mystifies me. The financial woes in Ottawa were created by the sens organization and the fact that the fans didn't support the team. Yes, a great deal of the more expensive seats at the ACC are corporate property and therefore is pretty much guarenteed revenue for MLSE but that should not reflect negatively on the mentality nor the loyalty and passion of the fan base. It doesn't seem to be the same issue in other sports where a loyal and devoted fan base is actually desired and lauded i.e. Cheeseheads and Cubs fans.

Win or loose a fan supports their team. They are allowed and expected to voice their displeasure with aspects of the organization they are not happy with, but it's still their team. senators fans along with Leaf fans should know very well that each year there is 1 winner and 29 loosers. in 75 years it has paid off for the Leafs 11 times and once for the Sens (they petitioned the NHL to have the history changed). If you look at it rationally, we should all be committed to an institution for supporting a game that provides such low odds on the expected payout. In a league with a diluted talent base, it cannot be expected that even the richest teams can just buy a cup (a la the Rangers). Consistency year in year out should eventually bring a championship and the Leafs and Senators organizations have provided that. So until the next Cup parade down Yonge Street (or whatever the main street is in Kanata) happens I am a hockey fan and more importantly...I AM A FAN OF THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS.
 

scouser1

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oh ye unbelievers of the Leaf nation, heed the words of the prophet Daniel aka number 11, he has promised a victory and a victory to the righteous warriors from the capital shall be delivered hehehehe :)

actually i am just hoping we dont see a repeat of game 5 were both teams came out not to win but to try not to lose, and all checking tight game is what i fear most, that and the mindless drones parading up and down Yonge Street hehehe
 

n_v

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Doctor your wowfully(?) missing the point. Supporting the team is great and an integral part of sport, even though fans are not on the playing field. Go to Madrid and ask the REAL fans if its ok to have 20 yrs plus of non-championship years. Go to Munich and ask the Bayern fans if they would feel satisfied being on par with teams like Freiburg, Eintracht Frankfurt and VfL Wolfsburg. Ask the suporters of AC Milan and Manchester United if they would continue to buy tickets at not winning championships while Brescia, Lecce, Charlton and Southampton did!!!!!! This is the Toronto Maple Leafs for Christs sake!!! One of the 2 or 3 most storied franshises in the NHL. The Leafs organization keeps drawing up the past but does nothing to improve the present or build for the future. If you are content with putting the Leafs on an even keel with 29 other teams then so be it. I would like to believe they should hold themselves to a higher standard. Great franchises do that!!!!!
 

The Doctor

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I'm not putting the Leafs on the same level as all 29 teams, but you never know when a Carolina, Anaheim or Minnesotta are going to hit their stride and ruin everyone's spring.

I guess you have to fundamentally disagree with how the team is operated, the way the team is coached and the players on the team to get to the point wherby you would effectively boycott the product on the ice. It's easy to be a fan if you are constantly having chamionship parades. It doesn't mean I'm stupid or dellusional for supporting them through a drought. While I believe that there are somethings the MLSE could do better, I believe that their actions over the last year or so have improved the club. They continue to spend on players, they have a strong coach and they have leadership in the dressingroom.

Could they be better? Maybe. Could they have a different coach? There are few active coaches out there with Cup wins under their belts that are available. Could they have younger players? Younger players with more speed have gotten the Sens a President's Cup but not a Stanley Cup. Could they have a better goalie? I doubt it, and last time I checked Martin Brodeur was golfing already and under contract in NJ. Could they spend more? Yes, but it doesn't guarentee success every year...ask the Rangers or ask Detroit who was swept in 4 games last year because the goalie on the other team had a career stretch of games at the exact right time.

Don't mistake a rational evaluation of the Leafs and their chances of winning the Cup every year as complacency...I know Sens fans are not know for their rational thought. Everybody likes to win, everybody wants to win. Odds are you are going to be one of those 29 teams and no one has ever gon 82-0 in the regular season. I'd rather have a consistently competitive team like we've had in Toronto for the last decade than a couple of fluke Cup wins in the last 30 plus years followed by woefully uncompetitive teams. Detroit, Colrado and New Jersey haven't always been at the top of the game as they are now...but they've been consistently competitive for the last 7-8 years and put themselves in a good position to win. It doesn't happen every year for them either. There are some "other" teams that have been the cream of the Eastern Conference who haven't won recently either.

If the Leafs don't win the Cup, I don't see their ability to compete with the elite of the league falling off. Yes the older players on the team may retire, but the Leafs have smart management and the resurces to go out and put a competitive team on the ice every year. Since the likes of John Muckler, Pat Quinn, Jim devellano, Lou Lamourello, Bob Gainey, Glen Sather and company cannot guarentee a win then can you really ask for much more than having a competitive team year in and out.

If you can identify 1 thing that MLSE has done wrong or that they can do differently that would have guarenteed Toronto a Cup then I might be able to see what your point is. And if you can, then I'll personally pass your resume along to my friends at the pension plan so we can get you in and some of those supposed dummies out. Time's short...we've got a parade route to plan.
 

n_v

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Doctor - Don't take this personally but that is one of the most bullshit posts I have read here.
 

BigBlack

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The Leafs already gave it a good go to get game 7. They are missing their 2 best in Sundin and Nolan, others are playing hurt. I have a feeling the Sens will finally get them tommorow. The way they are playing neither stands a prayer in the next round.

That Cal/Van game was insane.

BBLACK
 

B470

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get the SENS jersey ready to wear for your next pic.
I believe the SENS will do it tonight
but it will be a brutal game.

you look good in blue and white and you will look awsome in black and gold!!
 

The Doctor

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n_v said:
Doctor - Don't take this personally but that is one of the most bullshit posts I have read here.
There's a prime example of that ability to rationalize that is so prominent with Sens fans.
 

n_v

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The Doctor said:
There's a prime example of that ability to rationalize that is so prominent with Sens fans.
Doctor - I have read your post and re-read it in fact and its full of holes. I was going to go into a lengthy diatribe but it seems pointless because you are set in your ways and believe everything MLSE does is right and done with 100% effort. Doct, I LIVE in Toronto. I read the papers, watch news and listen to the people and let met tell you , I am sick and tired of the complaciany the people of this city let the Toronto Maple Leafs get away with. Every year if its not one excuse, its another. That is why MLSE likes "fans" like you. You give them no motivation to improve the product and bring a championship to this city!!!!
 

n_v

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Goober Mcfly said:
n_v: But THIS YEAR it will be different! This year they'll win the Cup.


:rolleyes:
Exactly my point Goober.
 

kanjoosm

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n_v said:
Doctor - I have read your post and re-read it in fact and its full of holes. I was going to go into a lengthy diatribe but it seems pointless because you are set in your ways and believe everything MLSE does is right and done with 100% effort. Doct, I LIVE in Toronto. I read the papers, watch news and listen to the people and let met tell you , I am sick and tired of the complaciany the people of this city let the Toronto Maple Leafs get away with. Every year if its not one excuse, its another. That is why MLSE likes "fans" like you. You give them no motivation to improve the product and bring a championship to this city!!!!
I live in Toronto, but hate the Leafs. It just bemuses me how these mindless Leafs Fans can accept the sub standard stuff doled out year after year while tickets prices keep going up.

Also that shows the mindset of the team as long as the corporates can keep dishing out the cash they care a shit if a bloke of the street (their real fan) can take this kids to the game or not. Do you think this behaviour deserves fan loyalty. If the MLSE really cared they would make sure real fans can afford to go to at least one game a year without mortgaging their houses.

Hundreds of leafs fans travel to Buffalo, Detroit & Ottawa to see games. I am a hardcore Senators fan as I can afford to go for the game (actually a few games) every year and cheer for my team from the house.
 
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