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Ontario still has concerns about prostitution law despite constitutionality

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why won't she take it to the Ontario court of appeal?



TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne says her government's review of Canada's new prostitution law may have found it to be constitutional, but it hasn't "entirely" alleviated her concerns about the law.
After the federal law came into effect in December, the premier said she had a "grave concern" that it would not make sex workers safer and asked the attorney general to do a constitutional review.
Wynne said earlier this month that the review concluded there was "no clear unconstitutionality," but the attorney general would not divulge her staff's reasoning.

When asked today to elaborate, Wynne said the review did "not entirely" alleviate her concerns about it and Ontario will be monitoring its impacts.
She says she understands Ontario must uphold the law, but at the same time the province will keep an eye on it and meet with affected groups of people to hear their concerns.
The sweeping new changes to the way prostitution is regulated in Canada following a Supreme Court decision that found the old laws violated the rights of sex-trade

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/onta...ution-law-despite-constitutionality-1.2318916
 

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why won't she take it to the Ontario court of appeal?



TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne says her government's review of Canada's new prostitution law may have found it to be constitutional, but it hasn't "entirely" alleviated her concerns about the law.
After the federal law came into effect in December, the premier said she had a "grave concern" that it would not make sex workers safer and asked the attorney general to do a constitutional review.
Wynne said earlier this month that the review concluded there was "no clear unconstitutionality," but the attorney general would not divulge her staff's reasoning.

When asked today to elaborate, Wynne said the review did "not entirely" alleviate her concerns about it and Ontario will be monitoring its impacts.
She says she understands Ontario must uphold the law, but at the same time the province will keep an eye on it and meet with affected groups of people to hear their concerns.
The sweeping new changes to the way prostitution is regulated in Canada following a Supreme Court decision that found the old laws violated the rights of sex-trade

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/onta...ution-law-despite-constitutionality-1.2318916


Seriously, could she be any more of a politician here talking out both sides of her mouth?
 
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Seriously, could she be any more of a politician here talking out both sides of her mouth?
True but consider the costs to Ontario taxpayers for her Government to challenge it. Does Joe Public really care or want his/her taxpayer money spent this way or on more local benefits??? There is no direct benefit or obligation to challenge it ...... AND ESPECIALLY because most Provincial L.E. incl. here in Ontario have expressed they will still enforce based on problems such as Human trafficking/forced/ underage.
 

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True but consider the costs to Ontario taxpayers for her Government to challenge it. Does Joe Public really care or want his/her taxpayer money spent this way or on more local benefits??? There is no direct benefit or obligation to challenge it ...... AND ESPECIALLY because most Provincial L.E. incl. here in Ontario have expressed they will still enforce based on problems such as Human trafficking/forced/ underage.
The law that's on the books is the law that's on the books. Relying on lax enforcement of a bad law is a bad idea.. better to fix the law.
 
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The law that's on the books is the law that's on the books. Relying on lax enforcement of a bad law is a bad idea.. better to fix the law.
Ok but who should shoulder the cost of challenging a Canada wide law .... The Ontario taxpayers??? Ontario taxpayers; I don't think they would support an Ontario Government eating up their tax dollars on this. There is no advantage for Whynne ..... more disadvantage actually.
 

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Ok but who should shoulder the cost of challenging a Canada wide law .... The Ontario taxpayers??? Ontario taxpayers; I don't think they would support an Ontario Government eating up their tax dollars on this. There is no advantage for Whynne ..... more disadvantage actually.
If challenging the law is in the public interest, then I see no problem with it being funded by taxpayers.
By comparison, how much does it cost to keep a single person in jail? It's north of 100k/year.. not to mention the opportunity cost of having a (potentially) productive person out of work.
 

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Only the Government of Canada gets to just ask the Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of a criminal law. For everyone else, there must be a case where someone was charged and tried. And whatever the result, one side or the other (could be the Province of Ontario) is unhappy enough, and has arguments good enough to get all the way the the Supreme Court. Anything else—like asking the Court of Appeal—is just taking legal advice.

Relying on lax enforcement is indeed unwise, but people do so all the time, parking where we shouldn't, not signalling every change of direction, visiting incalls, putting out the trash at the wrong time, driving distracted or after drinking …, …. In fact if all laws were always enforced we'd have stagnant chaos. And courts, cops and lawyers on every corner.

Eventually another Terry Bedford will get the job done, and likely get just as much small-minded shit from her natural 'allies' as the original got from hers for doing what she did. Because lax enforcement works for some folks just fine.

People are not wise.
 

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It's pretty clear that the Wynne gov't isn't keen on this law and doesn't want to enforce it. If the NDP wins the next election the law is as good as dead, they'll almost certainly repeal it. If the Liberals win the next election with a lot of seats in Ontario Wynne and new Ontario MPs may be able to call in favours and get the law changed or scrapped. As it stands, it's pretty much of a dead letter in Ontario anyway.
 

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It's pretty clear that the Wynne gov't isn't keen on this law and doesn't want to enforce it. If the NDP wins the next election the law is as good as dead, they'll almost certainly repeal it. If the Liberals win the next election with a lot of seats in Ontario Wynne and new Ontario MPs may be able to call in favours and get the law changed or scrapped. As it stands, it's pretty much of a dead letter in Ontario anyway.
Lol what have you been smoking-maybe NDPs will do something, not hold your breath with Liberals
 

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Lol what have you been smoking-maybe NDPs will do something, not hold your breath with Liberals

You got that right. The NDP will do a lot of things, most of which will lead to the loss of disposable income so hobbyists won't have to worry about paying for sex because we can't afford it. On the upside, social supports will skyrocket so maybe fewer ladies will have to work.
 

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TeasePlease

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NDP has the best record on creating and protecting jobs while in government

http://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-reality-...creating-and-protecting-jobs-while-government

I'm the most awesomest driver (Reference: Me)

btw, are you sure you that unemployment is the best measure of fiscal management? Not say, GDP, trade balance, inflation, foreign investment, national debt, etc.

But, I see your point. If the NDP win the government, I'll be sure to get into the trough. As long as I can get a piece of the handout, I'm golden.
 

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I'm the most awesomest driver (Reference: Me)

btw, are you sure you that unemployment is the best measure of fiscal management? Not say, GDP, trade balance, inflation, foreign investment, national debt, etc.

But, I see your point. If the NDP win the government, I'll be sure to get into the trough. As long as I can get a piece of the handout, I'm golden.

trade, national debt, inflation, GDP etc means jack to somebody or families trying to make ends meet
 

TeasePlease

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trade, national debt, inflation, GDP etc means jack to somebody or families trying to make ends meet
yeah, you're right. Who cares about how we're going to pay for social programs. Just give everyone a job at a "living wage" and print money while we're at it. Worked out real well for Greece! Opa!
 
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