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Bill C-36, In Force 1 Month, Any Developments?

Imnoguru

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The so-called "Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act" has now been in force for just over a month. Anyone heard of charges being laid yet?

My guess is that the police in Toronto are planning, perhaps presently working on, busting an escort agency. Why in Toronto? Just look at the proliferation of agencies in Toronto, Brampton/airport area, and Richmond Hill/Markham. A local bust will have a chilling effect throughout the local geographic area--that's a lot of agencies and lots of sp's who might get cold feet (let alone a night or weekend in custody before arraignment). Also, Toronto police have lots of manpower, lots of "staying ability" (no pun intended) compared to forces outside Toronto. They can afford to run a sting/undercover operation for quite some time, and can swoop in, in force, with plenty of search warrants and arrest warrants when they think the time is right.

Why an agency? It's quite clear they are the most exposed, based on the legislation. Advertising for sex services, communicating to the public through website and contact number, enabling sex services, etc. Calls to the agencies and the can be easily recorded. Being directed to a specific address, or to an sp who provides the details, or to where an sp is waiting to take a donation, repeating this with other sp's referred by the same agency--it's simple. They are obvious targets. They are sitting ducks.

Clients caught in a swoop may be charged, but it would only be collateral. On the upside, Indy's' business may flourish as they will likely be ignored--too much effort to nail them, too diverse, no "shock and awe" in a bust of an indy.

Enforcement of anti-solicitation criminal code provisions has been in practical abeyance since 2010, when the previous criminal code provisions were ruled unconstitutional by the Superior Court of Justice. The Court of Appeal varied that decision and reinstated portions of the law, as did the Supreme Court of Canada both courts suspending their rulings for 1 year to permit drafting and implementing new legislation. My bet is that the police think 4 years without enforcement is long enough.

The only qualification to the above is that Premier Kathleen Wynne has publicly questioned the utility of the new legislation; she wonders whether it will truly protect at risk women--duh! Sounds like the only smart thing I have heard from her. She may have instructed the A G's office not to enforce, until the law is studied further, or to allow the first charges to come from another province. Who knows? Anyone with inside information in the AG's office willing to divulge?

Any other views or thoughts on this?
 

fmahovalich

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Other than a few scardy cat, politically motivated Liberals taking a swipe at Harper stating Doomday was upon us, and to boot Harper out.....most REASONABLE people have gone about their lives enjoying the prosperity and opportunity this great country bestows upon us.
 

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The so-called "Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act" has now been in force for just over a month. Anyone heard of charges being laid yet?

My guess is that the police in Toronto are planning, perhaps presently working on, busting an escort agency. Why in Toronto? Just look at the proliferation of agencies in Toronto, Brampton/airport area, and Richmond Hill/Markham. A local bust will have a chilling effect throughout the local geographic area--that's a lot of agencies and lots of sp's who might get cold feet (let alone a night or weekend in custody before arraignment). Also, Toronto police have lots of manpower, lots of "staying ability" (no pun intended) compared to forces outside Toronto. They can afford to run a sting/undercover operation for quite some time, and can swoop in, in force, with plenty of search warrants and arrest warrants when they think the time is right.

Why an agency? It's quite clear they are the most exposed, based on the legislation. Advertising for sex services, communicating to the public through website and contact number, enabling sex services, etc. Calls to the agencies and the can be easily recorded. Being directed to a specific address, or to an sp who provides the details, or to where an sp is waiting to take a donation, repeating this with other sp's referred by the same agency--it's simple. They are obvious targets. They are sitting ducks.

Clients caught in a swoop may be charged, but it would only be collateral. On the upside, Indy's' business may flourish as they will likely be ignored--too much effort to nail them, too diverse, no "shock and awe" in a bust of an indy.

Enforcement of anti-solicitation criminal code provisions has been in practical abeyance since 2010, when the previous criminal code provisions were ruled unconstitutional by the Superior Court of Justice. The Court of Appeal varied that decision and reinstated portions of the law, as did the Supreme Court of Canada both courts suspending their rulings for 1 year to permit drafting and implementing new legislation. My bet is that the police think 4 years without enforcement is long enough.

The only qualification to the above is that Premier Kathleen Wynne has publicly questioned the utility of the new legislation; she wonders whether it will truly protect at risk women--duh! Sounds like the only smart thing I have heard from her. She may have instructed the A G's office not to enforce, until the law is studied further, or to allow the first charges to come from another province. Who knows? Anyone with inside information in the AG's office willing to divulge?

Any other views or thoughts on this?
Ummm huh?????

Which agencies are advertising sexual services? and communicating them through websites? How is busting an agency going to get SP's in hot water or land them in jail and why the hell would clients who got caught up in the sting only be collateral???????

Have you read the law? The main focus is now on clients, so ... well that just explains the " only be collateral" thing. SP's can not be charged so no hot water there. Again, busting an agency could of course happen, but it would take more then you seem to think.

I do hope that some action is taken however. I hope that sex slave trafficked agencies do get busted. I hope that clients who enable these horrible places get busted or scared off from enabling this from continuing. But those are not the main agencies on this board.

 

squeezer

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Other than a few scardy cat, politically motivated Liberals taking a swipe at Harper stating Doomday was upon us, and to boot Harper out.....most REASONABLE people have gone about their lives enjoying the prosperity and opportunity this great country bestows upon us.
I'm sure Joy Smith (prominent REFORM PARTY MEMBER) totally agrees with you and is reveling in the fact that clients and agency owners have yet to be unjustly charged, whatever dude. Voting the Reformers back in will only make it worse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/joy-smith-mp/sex-trafficking-trudeau_b_6445614.html
 
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I'm sure Joy Smith (prominent REFORM PARTY MEMBER) totally agrees with you and is reveling in the fact that clients and agency owners have yet to be unjustly charged, whatever dude. Voting the Reformers back in will only make it worse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/joy-smith-mp/sex-trafficking-trudeau_b_6445614.html
I still hold out hope that most Politicians , esp local ones & L.E. know who are the extreem nut cases & just quietly ignore them. Give them no audience & thus weaken their power & harm. If only German people had done that with Hitler. Time to let Joy to speak to the walls. :mad:
 

vwdub

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Most agencies advertise implied sexual services. No one is fooling anyone. Get real.
 

buttercup

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Boring.
and you just joined last month. I bet you don't even hobby.
You're just a troll.
Don't be so rude!

If you find someone's post boring, your remedy should be that you stop reading it and move on -- silently. Same as you would if you knew the person. Especially when the chap has only been here a month.

And, often, someone's sensible and well-considered points can seem boring, if you're not used to conversing in that way -- and if you're not used to the niceties of debate and discussion.

Also, look up ad-hominem attacks -- and look up also why they're generally considered bad form.
 

D-Fens

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Yes, a procuring charge under CC section 286.3(2)...containing the new C-36 style wording "sexual services for consideration".
If these are the types of Johns they are targeting then I don't see what the problem is. He was going after underage girls and they found weapons and drugs on him. He is a perfect example of "low hanging fruit" Catching these sorts of people is what is going to get LE good PR.
 

D-Fens

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Don't be so rude!

If you find someone's post boring, your remedy should be that you stop reading it and move on -- silently. Same as you would if you knew the person. Especially when the chap has only been here a month.

And, often, someone's sensible and well-considered points can seem boring, if you're not used to conversing in that way -- and if you're not used to the niceties of debate and discussion.

Also, look up ad-hominem attacks -- and look up also why they're generally considered bad form.
Fair enough I apologize.
 

Titalian

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As I said from the beginning, Nothing's going to change. For the time being its Status quo !!
 

Imnoguru

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Ummm huh?????

Which agencies are advertising sexual services? and communicating them through websites? How is busting an agency going to get SP's in hot water or land them in jail and why the hell would clients who got caught up in the sting only be collateral???????

Have you read the law? The main focus is now on clients, so ... well that just explains the " only be collateral" thing. SP's can not be charged so no hot water there. Again, busting an agency could of course happen, but it would take more then you seem to think.

I do hope that some action is taken however. I hope that sex slave trafficked agencies do get busted. I hope that clients who enable these horrible places get busted or scared off from enabling this from continuing. But those are not the main agencies on this board.

Yes that is the party line, that agencies are not advertising sex services. Good luck with that one, when undercover after undercover cop testifies in court about the very experiences we are reading about each and every day here on terb.
How are clients collateral? Because the focus won't be on them, even if the law purports to be. It is way too difficult to "track" a client right into the hotel room or condo. He might get caught in a sting, but that's not what they're going for.
How will the sp get hit? Well, duh, do you think she will be able to say that she just happened to be in the room, by coincidence, with her photo, stats, sexy description etc. on the agency's website?
Look, this law may not stick, I personally think it is not sufficiently different than the previous law that was substantially struck, and I think I am right on that. But that doesn't mean the police aren't preparing a raid: don't shoot the messenger, ignore the message, if you prefer.
 
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