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legmann

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You don't know this for sure, and no one has officially expressed any end to lapdances as yet.
 

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asterwald

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Wow. This city is already like MRA capital of the world due to these policies and the general coldness. Banning lap dances? Wtf.
 

shakenbake

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You don't know this for sure, and no one has officially expressed any end to lapdances as yet.
From the DOJ technical paper at http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html

The following activities have been found to constitute a sexual service or an act of prostitution, if provided in return for some form of consideration: lap-dancing, which involves sitting in the client’s lap and simulating sexual intercourse;[SUP][31][/SUP] masturbation of a client in the context of a massage parlour, whether or not the client climaxes;[SUP][32][/SUP] and, sado-masochistic activities, provided that the acts can be considered to be sexually stimulating/gratifying.[SUP][33][/SUP] However, jurisprudence is clear that neither acts related to the production of pornography,[SUP][34][/SUP] nor stripping[SUP][35][/SUP] meet the test. In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[SUP][36][/SUP]
 

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Unless they plan on charging thousands upon thousands of normal people, lap-dancing is not suddenly going to become any more legally dangerous than it already is. And I highly doubt anyone is seriously going to pursue charging someone for something as conservative as a lapdance when there are far more serious crimes of a sexual nature going on.
 

legmann

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From the DOJ technical paper at http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html

The following activities have been found to constitute a sexual service or an act of prostitution, if provided in return for some form of consideration: lap-dancing, which involves sitting in the client’s lap and simulating sexual intercourse;[SUP][31][/SUP] masturbation of a client in the context of a massage parlour, whether or not the client climaxes;[SUP][32][/SUP] and, sado-masochistic activities, provided that the acts can be considered to be sexually stimulating/gratifying.[SUP][33][/SUP] However, jurisprudence is clear that neither acts related to the production of pornography,[SUP][34][/SUP] nor stripping[SUP][35][/SUP] meet the test. In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[SUP][36][/SUP]
I'm well aware what constitutes a 'sexual service'; I'm simply referring to the massive culture-shift within the SC industry that would be required to affect an end to lap dancing.
 

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From the DOJ technical paper at http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html

In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[SUP][36][/SUP]
Does this mean that if we can get MacKay's wife to testify that he masturbates in front of her in their bedroom we can get him put away for 5 years? There's hope for revenge yet. She must be nearing the point of realizing the mistake she made. Belinda eventually realized and even went so far as to change parties to get away.
 

shakenbake

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I'm well aware what constitutes a 'sexual service'; I'm simply referring to the massive culture-shift within the SC industry that would be required to affect an end to lap dancing.
I am with you on this one. However, I fear the worst and expect one person to be charged and convicted and lap-dances will be history for fear of future charges and convictions.
 

LikeRedHeads

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If there are no lap dances then SCs will close. The dancers will then have to go into escorting because it is legal for them to do so. And there you go: with C36 you get more prostitution than before. It wasn't exactly the expressed goal of C36...
 

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You don't know this for sure, and no one has officially expressed any end to lapdances as yet.
Stupid law. If dancers can't make money doing lap-dances many will just become independent dancers or escorts
seeing as they will not be charged for offering their own sexual services.
 

fuji

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Unless they plan on charging thousands upon thousands of normal people, lap-dancing is not suddenly going to become any more legally dangerous than it already is. And I highly doubt anyone is seriously going to pursue charging someone for something as conservative as a lapdance when there are far more serious crimes of a sexual nature going on.
They wouldn't have to charge thousands of people. They'd just go around to the clubs and give the owners a warning .Then come back a few times and a few more warnings. Then arrest the owners if they don't put a stop to the practice.

That said, I honestly don't see the police doing that and I don't know that it's a slam dunk that a lap dance is illegal under C36 provided that it's really just a lap dance (you could argue that it's not a true sex act without actual genital contact, despite the statement to the contrary in the technical paper).
 

fuji

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Does this mean that if we can get MacKay's wife to testify that he masturbates in front of her in their bedroom we can get him put away for 5 years? There's hope for revenge yet. She must be nearing the point of realizing the mistake she made. Belinda eventually realized and even went so far as to change parties to get away.
Only if he pays her to watch.
 

Hard Idle

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Perhaps it's time for some low budget pornography studios to open up in the GTA?? I heard that nowadays digital cameras and video editing apps make for lower overhead than a bar.
 

MattRoxx

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Okay but do men hand over twenties just to watch a close (no contact) dance? I'd pass out before becoming drunk enough to think that was worth paying for.
Or are the strip clubs dying?
Do customers watch the dances until closing time, head out to their cars and have a big circle jerk in the parking lot? I don't see the point of paying to get all hot & bothered and then going home with a hard-on LOL.
 

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Unless they plan on charging thousands upon thousands of normal people, lap-dancing is not suddenly going to become any more legally dangerous than it already is. And I highly doubt anyone is seriously going to pursue charging someone for something as conservative as a lapdance when there are far more serious crimes of a sexual nature going on.
Listen, these cops have no real work to do. Serious crime is constantly decreasing. Therefore they create criminals out of ordinary people who just want to have fun.
 
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