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Yoga Face

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Massage parlors are now illegal if sex is provided

OK

What constitutes sex??? :confused:


Can you both be nude???


Can you do a reverse???


Can you masturbate with her in the room????

Can you talk dirty ???
 

GPIDEAL

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MPs were always doing something contrary to the by-law or CC if sex was provided. This hasn't changed.

The Technical Paper cites examples of sex based on case law, which is what the new law will rely on. Not much different than before. (HJ or even masturbating yourself while watching her is a sexual service).

Body rub should be okay. By-laws determine the level of acceptable nudity, IIRC.

Can you talk dirty? I suppose if you're not masturbating, maybe okay. I think some of the criticism of C36 has been that even online sex will be illegal, if you pay for it.
 

Yoga Face

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MPs were always doing something contrary to the by-law or CC if sex was provided. This hasn't changed.

The Technical Paper cites examples of sex based on case law, which is what the new law will rely on. Not much different than before. (HJ or even masturbating yourself while watching her is a sexual service).

Body rub should be okay. By-laws determine the level of acceptable nudity, IIRC.

Can you talk dirty? I suppose if you're not masturbating, maybe okay. I think some of the criticism of C36 has been that even online sex will be illegal, if you pay for it.
MPs can still be viable if you can both be nude especially if you can do a reverse
 

jcpro

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You can get a massage and a conversation. Everything else is illegal.
 

Yoga Face

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You can get a massage and a conversation. Everything else is illegal.
But, can you be nude?? Can she be nude??? Can you massage her???
 

oldjones

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Massage parlors are now illegal if sex is provided
OK
What constitutes sex??? :confused:
Can you both be nude???
Can you do a reverse???
Can you masturbate with her in the room????
Can you talk dirty ???
As you say, MPs—and any business—where sex is provided (as a business service) are now illegal, as they have been for many, many years. Nothing new.

What constitutes sex? Good question, if it was possible to say exactly what does, concisely and clearly then parents wouldn't have the trouble they do having The Talk. And there wouldn't be strings of court cases on the topic, because the lawmakers would have copied the definition into the statute.

Here's a quick try from me: Any and all the stuff male and female people do to get reproduction underway, including the build-up, the aftermath, and including any imitations of that stuff, whether or not actual reproduction is intended, irrespective of gender and whether or not there is more than a single consenting party.

That should pretty much cover it. Now we can have a really meaningful argument about when kissing falls into that definition, and how your aged maiden aunt's lip action just can't be sex. And exactly when your neighbour's daughter's kisses became sex. defining stuff is one of the big reasons we have Courts.

But if you have to ask if it's legal, it quite likely isn't. And if you are asking, it's probable something like a conscience will be bothered, even if LE isn't. This time.

In any case, sex will be, and still is, entirely legal between consenting adults no matter how briefly acquainted. What makes for criminal law problems is paying for it.

Can you both be nude? There are no laws against consensual private nudity that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering proper attire for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you do a reverse? There are no laws against consensual private touching that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering such personal conduct for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you masturbate in the room with her? As long as she doesn't complain. Your only worry is what someone else who discovers you might say or do. If they're a municipal inspector or police officer, she and you might both be charged either for a bylaw infraction (her), or criminally (you). Whether or not the Court would find you guilty is problematic, because—witnesses aside—no law specifically says 'it's a criminal offence to masturbate'.

Can you talk dirty? Of course. At least until she says, 'that's enough of that sort of talk, your session's over'. But if the dirty talk includes your desire for actual sex and how grateful you would prove to be, it could be read as offering a consideration for sex.

Do not pay for sex; do not offer or exchange anything for sex and you should be free of criminal law dangers.

As with all your other questions, if you're confident of your privacy and her collaboration then you have no worries. But if it could be breaking the law, and if you disagreed with an officer of the law who used it as evidence, you'd have the perfect forum to make your case in front of a judge.
 

GPIDEAL

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MPs can still be viable if you can both be nude especially if you can do a reverse
I didn't see anything in the Technical Paper about body rubs being illegal. There may not be case law yet on nude body slides or reverses.
 

GPIDEAL

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As you say, MPs—and any business—where sex is provided (as a business service) are now illegal, as they have been for many, many years. Nothing new.

What constitutes sex? Good question, if it was possible to say exactly what does, concisely and clearly then parents wouldn't have the trouble they do having The Talk. And there wouldn't be strings of court cases on the topic, because the lawmakers would have copied the definition into the statute.

Here's a quick try from me: Any and all the stuff male and female people do to get reproduction underway, including the build-up, the aftermath, and including any imitations of that stuff, whether or not actual reproduction is intended, irrespective of gender and whether or not there is more than a single consenting party.

That should pretty much cover it. Now we can have a really meaningful argument about when kissing falls into that definition, and how your aged maiden aunt's lip action just can't be sex. And exactly when your neighbour's daughter's kisses became sex. defining stuff is one of the big reasons we have Courts.

But if you have to ask if it's legal, it quite likely isn't. And if you are asking, it's probable something like a conscience will be bothered, even if LE isn't. This time.

In any case, sex will be, and still is, entirely legal between consenting adults no matter how briefly acquainted. What makes for criminal law problems is paying for it.

Can you both be nude? There are no laws against consensual private nudity that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering proper attire for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you do a reverse? There are no laws against consensual private touching that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering such personal conduct for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you masturbate in the room with her? As long as she doesn't complain. Your only worry is what someone else who discovers you might say or do. If they're a municipal inspector or police officer, she and you might both be charged either for a bylaw infraction (her), or criminally (you). Whether or not the Court would find you guilty is problematic, because—witnesses aside—no law specifically says 'it's a criminal offence to masturbate'.

Can you talk dirty? Of course. At least until she says, 'that's enough of that sort of talk, your session's over'. But if the dirty talk includes your desire for actual sex and how grateful you would prove to be, it could be read as offering a consideration for sex.

Do not pay for sex; do not offer or exchange anything for sex and you should be free of criminal law dangers.

As with all your other questions, if you're confident of your privacy and her collaboration then you have no worries. But if it could be breaking the law, and if you disagreed with an officer of the law who used it as evidence, you'd have the perfect forum to make your case in front of a judge.

Well done.
 

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Now the important question outside of MP's - is a Brazilian waxing considered to be a sexual service? Or even a bikini wax? I certainly think that both would be deemed a sexual service. I wonder how many Conservative female MP's or spouses of MP's will be impressed if they can no longer get this service at their local spa? And what about the pro Bill C-36 ladies that cheered the Conservatives on in the Ottawa hearings? To whom do we guys complain to have these "perverts" arrested?
 

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Now the important question outside of MP's - is a Brazilian waxing considered to be a sexual service? Or even a bikini wax? I certainly think that both would be deemed a sexual service. I wonder how many Conservative female MP's or spouses of MP's will be impressed if they can no longer get this service at their local spa? And what about the pro Bill C-36 ladies that cheered the Conservatives on in the Ottawa hearings? To whom do we guys complain to have these "perverts" arrested?

No. Of course these are not sexual services. Is a trip to the urologist a sexual service? How about when a doctor checks your balballs for lumps? Before I get my haircut, my hot hairstylist massages my head with warm water and to be honest, it can be a turn on. Is this now illegal? NO.
 

Born2Star

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From what I understand (while by-law might be different in diff areas)...

1) You can be nude. She should not be.

2) She can do massage on you.

3) You two can talk, can hug, can kiss, I think cuddle is ok too (but she's not nude as in (1) )

4) No release whatsoever. It's ok if you're erected LOL !

Have you ever done a "legal" massage like above in the MP? You can call me loser, but I have. (And it's fascinating...)
 

Yoga Face

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From what I understand (while by-law might be different in diff areas)...

1) You can be nude. She should not be.

2) She can do massage on you.

3) You two can talk, can hug, can kiss, I think cuddle is ok too (but she's not nude as in (1) )

4) No release whatsoever. It's ok if you're erected LOL !

Have you ever done a "legal" massage like above in the MP? You can call me loser, but I have. (And it's fascinating...)
As well as c36 local bylaws will come into play

We are just guessing as to what c36 will allow

It is up to the courts to decide after some poor working tax paying stiff is deemed a criminal by the cops for something as simple as sexual releif


What is needed is an organization for the Johns to demand our rights to pay for sex with a consenting adult

In case you missed civics class, this is how democracy works : the loudest squeak gets the grease
 

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As you say, MPs—and any business—where sex is provided (as a business service) are now illegal, as they have been for many, many years. Nothing new.

What constitutes sex? Good question, if it was possible to say exactly what does, concisely and clearly then parents wouldn't have the trouble they do having The Talk. And there wouldn't be strings of court cases on the topic, because the lawmakers would have copied the definition into the statute.

Here's a quick try from me: Any and all the stuff male and female people do to get reproduction underway, including the build-up, the aftermath, and including any imitations of that stuff, whether or not actual reproduction is intended, irrespective of gender and whether or not there is more than a single consenting party.

That should pretty much cover it. Now we can have a really meaningful argument about when kissing falls into that definition, and how your aged maiden aunt's lip action just can't be sex. And exactly when your neighbour's daughter's kisses became sex. defining stuff is one of the big reasons we have Courts.

But if you have to ask if it's legal, it quite likely isn't. And if you are asking, it's probable something like a conscience will be bothered, even if LE isn't. This time.

In any case, sex will be, and still is, entirely legal between consenting adults no matter how briefly acquainted. What makes for criminal law problems is paying for it.

Can you both be nude? There are no laws against consensual private nudity that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering proper attire for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you do a reverse? There are no laws against consensual private touching that I'm aware of. But there certainly are business bylaws covering such personal conduct for workers in licensed businesses.

Can you masturbate in the room with her? As long as she doesn't complain. Your only worry is what someone else who discovers you might say or do. If they're a municipal inspector or police officer, she and you might both be charged either for a bylaw infraction (her), or criminally (you). Whether or not the Court would find you guilty is problematic, because—witnesses aside—no law specifically says 'it's a criminal offence to masturbate'.

Can you talk dirty? Of course. At least until she says, 'that's enough of that sort of talk, your session's over'. But if the dirty talk includes your desire for actual sex and how grateful you would prove to be, it could be read as offering a consideration for sex.

Do not pay for sex; do not offer or exchange anything for sex and you should be free of criminal law dangers.

As with all your other questions, if you're confident of your privacy and her collaboration then you have no worries. But if it could be breaking the law, and if you disagreed with an officer of the law who used it as evidence, you'd have the perfect forum to make your case in front of a judge.
If you had read the technical paper from the Department of Justice, it stated under C-36 that self-masturbation was considered a sexual act. So, it is illegal.


From http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html
The following activities have been found to constitute a sexual service or an act of prostitution, if provided in return for some form of consideration: lap-dancing, which involves sitting in the client’s lap and simulating sexual intercourse;[SUP][31][/SUP] masturbation of a client in the context of a massage parlour, whether or not the client climaxes;[SUP][32][/SUP] and, sado-masochistic activities, provided that the acts can be considered to be sexually stimulating/gratifying.[SUP][33][/SUP] However, jurisprudence is clear that neither acts related to the production of pornography,[SUP][34][/SUP] nor stripping[SUP][35][/SUP] meet the test. In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[SUP][36][/SUP]
 

Cobra Enorme

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The good thing with the new law is that you cannot be charged for just being found in a MP known to offer full service
like in the lobby? ya you wont be charged there. In the room and shes naked and youre hard? youre damn right youre being charged. Not even lap dances are allowed anymore.

From http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/o...rotect/p1.html
The following activities have been found to constitute a sexual service or an act of prostitution, if provided in return for some form of consideration: lap-dancing, which involves sitting in the client’s lap and simulating sexual intercourse;[31] masturbation of a client in the context of a massage parlour, whether or not the client climaxes;[32] and, sado-masochistic activities, provided that the acts can be considered to be sexually stimulating/gratifying.[33] However, jurisprudence is clear that neither acts related to the production of pornography,[34] nor stripping[35] meet the test. In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[36]
 

MPAsquared

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Full body–to–body massages are legal as per by-law
Not true. And federal law trumps bylaws every time. In toronto, bylaws do not permit posting rates for services such as topless, nude, bodyslide, etc.
 

MPAsquared

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So body–to–body massages is a sexual services even though there is no release ?
I don't know. A judge will have to decide that. But, 1, Toronto bodyrub parlors don't post prices for such services. 2, consideration in exchange would have to be proven. 3, there are several threads in the massage section that go into great detail about c-36 & how it relates to bodyrub parlors.
 

oldjones

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If you had read the technical paper from the Department of Justice, it stated under C-36 that self-masturbation was considered a sexual act. So, it is illegal.


From http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/protect/p1.html
The following activities have been found to constitute a sexual service or an act of prostitution, if provided in return for some form of consideration: lap-dancing, which involves sitting in the client’s lap and simulating sexual intercourse;[SUP][31][/SUP] masturbation of a client in the context of a massage parlour, whether or not the client climaxes;[SUP][32][/SUP] and, sado-masochistic activities, provided that the acts can be considered to be sexually stimulating/gratifying.[SUP][33][/SUP] However, jurisprudence is clear that neither acts related to the production of pornography,[SUP][34][/SUP] nor stripping[SUP][35][/SUP] meet the test. In most cases, physical contact, or sexual interaction, between the person providing the service and the person receiving it is required; however, acts for which consideration is provided that take place in a private room in a club and that are sexual in nature, but do not involve physical contact between the “client” and “performer”, such as self-masturbation, have been found to constitute prostitution.[SUP][36][/SUP]
I did read it. It is not the law. It is just a background research paper, which noted that self-masturbation in a strip club cubicle watched by a dancer had been deemed a sexual act by a court there. That doesn't make the act itself illegal, and C36 does not say it is. A contrary judgement was rendered on the matter of masturbation in a massage parlour by a judge in this province, who focussed on the critical issue of what payment had been made for what service, and found no persuasive evidence that it was paid for. That is the critical aspect of the offence, not the sex itself. It would be for cops and Crown to prove you had hired her to be your audience and paid her to wink as you wanked.

Which reminds us, whether or not the specific act has been defined in the law, the authorities still have to acquire enough believable evidence to prove in a court beyond reasonable doubt that you committed it and at least offered to pay for her role in it.

YF's questions were more practical than the technicalities you cited; he just asked 'can you'. On Monday, just as you can this afternoon, as long as you and she are private and agreed, you can. I'll leave the 'should you's to others, given that the law will be different then, but I expect the Blue Meanies won't be in the room with me and her. Nor with Yoga and his MPA.
 
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