Toronto Escorts

"Suspect Information Card"

tdot boy

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12
0
0
I have been following the closed thread regarding LE and the C-36 and decided to do more reading on-line, and came across the following article regarding Jack Layton which some of you may remember:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-house-former-cop

So according to this article, the personal information that's collected by the police are stored in a database which for me is a big problem on its own even if no charges are laid. just my two cents.
 

MPAsquared

www.musemassagespa.com
I have been following the closed thread regarding LE and the C-36 and decided to do more reading on-line, and came across the following article regarding Jack Layton which some of you may remember:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-house-former-cop

So according to this article, the personal information that's collected by the police are stored in a database which for me is a big problem on its own even if no charges are laid. just my two cents.
Lol that was in 1996. Needless to say, things have changed in the past 18yrs! Like privacy laws, prostitution laws, police procedures, everything!
 

IM469

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2012
10,848
2,078
113
I have been following the closed thread regarding LE and the C-36 and decided to do more reading on-line, and came across the following article regarding Jack Layton which some of you may remember:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-house-former-cop

So according to this article, the personal information that's collected by the police are stored in a database which for me is a big problem on its own even if no charges are laid. just my two cents.
In another thread in which an owner was minimizing the impact of getting caught in a 'routine inspection', I had brought up the same concern about having your personal information floating on a police data base waiting for the day in the future that someone digging for dirt finds it at a most inopportune time.
 

peter4025

Active member
Mar 10, 2010
6,258
11
38
The unfortunately part of these type of database is that ALL of them are shared with USA. Even our medic records. I guess that the privacy policy does not count in this case.

There is no way that I would be able to explain my employers why I can't travel to USA if I ever get in one of these lists
 

gzfzvz

Active member
Dec 6, 2013
783
78
28
this is the wrong forum to post this. They made you your own subsection to post the C-36 Panic crap, hopefully mods will move this...
 

Born2Star

Active member
Dec 2, 2004
749
56
28
All your personal information is already collected by a company called Google. It doesn't matter anymore.
 

MPAsquared

www.musemassagespa.com
I don't call it minimizing. Not at all. Its inaccurate & out-dated. Find something more relevant & I'd have something different to say.

I've spent 15yrs in mp's. Dozens upon dozens of le visits. Never has a client had his info written down let alone on a card that goes in a file. Now, granted, I started in 2000, and the article linked is from 1996. But since my entry.....never.

I encourage someone to look into this though!
 

legmann

Well-known member
Dec 2, 2001
8,823
1,395
113
T.O.
The unfortunately part of these type of database is that ALL of them are shared with USA.
Yes, this is an emerging problem that needs to be addressed. The Star ran an excellent multi-part series a few months ago on the issue of 'non-conviction records' kept by police, and the ease with which they are carelessly released to anyone who asks (employers, customs, etc).

There's a huge difference between Google and LE retaining info.
You've got that right.
 
Last edited:

icespot

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2005
1,692
84
48
Guys this is so aesy. They are still call contact cards but the whole system is electronic.

Go to the police force of jurisdiction and request disclosure through the freedom of imformatn act.

there it will tell you where the cops put your info and to what file they belong.

if you get stop by trafic stop your stop goes on a contact card, electronic record.
and for those that tell you it doesnt hapen, well they are wrong.

This data bases also have the power to prevent crime, information is retained for intelligence purpose.
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
80,012
7
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
Toronto police in particular are infamous for aggressively collecting contact cards AND sharing that data with the US border. Some other jurisdictions collect less information, and some refuse to share it outside their own systems, but Toronto for whatever reason shares the most information with the US border guards - including the contents of all the contact cards.

Aside from all the C36 angles, there are a zillion reasons why Toronto should not be doing this, and this is actually one of those issues you can go bother your city councillor about without outing yourself as a participant in the sex industry. Toronto's sharing of information on ALL types of contacts has caused people problems at the border, and it is within the power of Council to order the police department to stop.

icespot: I don't think anyone objects to Toronto police using that information to stop crimes locally, but it's the broad sharing of that information that is so damaging. It should not be released on background checks in general, whether border crossing checks, or job applications. And yes you can file a freedom of information request to see what is on your file -- BUT, then next week you're detained and then released by the police in connection with prostitution. Now it's on your record, police will NOT remove it, and WILL share that data with the US border, even though they never even charged you with anything.

To anyone who winds up questioned about such a card by a border official -- DENY, DENY, DENY. A contact card is not a criminal conviction, it will cause them to ask questions but in and of itself cannot be used as a reason to deny your entry to the US. What it will cause is a further investigation into your background and a whole lot of probing questions. Only if they find something material, or IF YOU ADMIT SOMETHING, can you be denied entry. So deny. The police must have confused you with someone else, you were just walking through the area, etc.
 

oldjones

CanBarelyRe Member
Aug 18, 2001
24,495
11
38
The various articles on carding, and police background checks in today's Star make it very clear that in Toronto the police efficiently retain, retrieve and report all encounters/charges when asked officially, not just convictions. That is their administrative choice and goes well beyond what the law requires. The stories cite examples where charges were dropped and not proceeded with, but remain on record and are cited to prospective employers when a check is done, effectively penalizing the person for an offence they have never been tried for and very likely did not commit.
 

bubble pop

Banned
May 1, 2012
294
0
16
The various articles on carding, and police background checks in today's Star make it very clear that in Toronto the police efficiently retain, retrieve and report all encounters/charges when asked officially, not just convictions. That is their administrative choice and goes well beyond what the law requires. The stories cite examples where charges were dropped and not proceeded with, but remain on record and are cited to prospective employers when a check is done, effectively penalizing the person for an offence they have never been tried for and very likely did not commit.

The Star articles ought to be extremely disturbing to everyone, C36 or otherwise. The sharing of EMS and hospital records with the Americans is insanity.
 

Dorian Grey

Banned
May 10, 2012
245
0
0
To anyone who winds up questioned about such a card by a border official -- DENY, DENY, DENY. A contact card is not a criminal conviction, it will cause them to ask questions but in and of itself cannot be used as a reason to deny your entry to the US. What it will cause is a further investigation into your background and a whole lot of probing questions. Only if they find something material, or IF YOU ADMIT SOMETHING, can you be denied entry. So deny. The police must have confused you with someone else, you were just walking through the area, etc.
This is not accurate. In fact, the US Customs and Border Protection Services can deny you entry for any reason they deem appropriate (and there are many - some published, some not), and there is not a single thing you can do about it. In many cases, they may not even give you the actual reason you are being denied entry. It is sufficient for a member to deem you undesirable (read: strongly suspect you based on circumstantial evidence like the content of a contact card), and that's that. There is no appeal or escalation process. Only a different type of re-application for entry which is very very hard to get approved. Denial is not really a viable means to avoid issues if/when challenged at the border.
 

legmann

Well-known member
Dec 2, 2001
8,823
1,395
113
T.O.
This is not accurate. In fact, the US Customs and Border Protection Services can deny you entry for any reason they deem appropriate (and there are many - some published, some not), and there is not a single thing you can do about it. In many cases, they may not even give you the actual reason you are being denied entry.
You know, I thought the same thing (as I was once refused entry), but didn't think to post in opposition... I guess that's what conditioning will do around here.
 

fuji

Banned
Jan 31, 2005
80,012
7
0
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
is.gd
It is not really true that they can deny you for any reason. They have to cite the section of the act that they are denying you under.

However, they don't have to tell you any of that at the border, they can just turn you around, and make you go through a lengthy process that for any normal purpose may not be much different from being denied (i.e., if you were travelling for employment, by the time you get it sorted out, you won't be employed anymore, etc.)

So it isn't like you are going to talk your way past the border guard or something -- rather it's a question of whether over the next year or so you will get it sorted out, or whether you will be banned for life.
 

Dorian Grey

Banned
May 10, 2012
245
0
0
It is not really true that they can deny you for any reason. They have to cite the section of the act that they are denying you under.

However, they don't have to tell you any of that at the border, they can just turn you around, and make you go through a lengthy process that for any normal purpose may not be much different from being denied (i.e., if you were travelling for employment, by the time you get it sorted out, you won't be employed anymore, etc.)

So it isn't like you are going to talk your way past the border guard or something -- rather it's a question of whether over the next year or so you will get it sorted out, or whether you will be banned for life.
So basically, what I already said. :frusty: But you are still not making accurate statements. Citing a broad section of legislative code publicly to an applicant who has been denied entry, and telling the applicant the actual reason they are being denied entry are two different things altogether. In most instances, unless the specific reason is blatantly obvious, standard practice is that you will, in fact, NOT be told the actual reason you are being denied entry, although it will be fully documented by the agent and filed for internal use only. There is no legislative requirement or regulatory code that currently exists that can force the US Customs and Border Protection Services to reveal their information, or justify their reasons for denying you entry, so they don't. It's a known problem even US citizens cannot overcome. Even if you subsequently apply for a temporary waiver of inadmissibility, as a matter of administrative policy, they very likely still won't tell you specific reasons for rejection of your application. It's an accept/denied response, and it's almost a 100% rejection rate these days, so try all you like - once you're denied entry, it's going to take most of the rest of your natural life to 'get it sorted out' as you say. Probably longer!
 
Toronto Escorts