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Am I Naive to Believe (C-36 & Outcalls to Hotels)...

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That C-36 will not really affect outcalls to hotels if one were to book an SP from a reputable agency or established independent? Also, if an SP enters a hotel discreetly dressed to visit my room would that tip off any of the hotel staff? I do not also think that local law enforcement will be aggressively staking out suburban hotels or even hotels in Downtown Toronto looking for such activity. Or am I wrong?

Despite my thinking on this, I do believe that a partaker of services like myself and others should not take things lightly and act more cautiously when seeing SPs on outcalls, hence that is why I am posing the question.

I am a US citizen that occasionally books escorts while visiting Ontario a few times a year for 1-2 hour sessions and I stay in chain hotels such as Marriott or Holiday Inns and occasionally an higher-end or "boutique" hotel Downtown. I have seen escorts in the GTA, Niagara Falls & Windsor and have been a sporadic user of escort services for about 12 years now but I would hate to not be able to do this anymore because of the new laws.

If you are similar type of client like I am regarding what I had just mentioned, what is your take on this? What are you planning to do or not do in the wake of C-36 ?

Any opinions or feedback is appreciated.
 
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That C-36 will not really affect outcalls to hotels if one were to book an SP from a reputable agency or established independent? Also, if an SP enters a hotel discreetly dressed to visit my room would that tip off any of the hotel staff? I do not also think that local law enforcement will be aggressively staking out suburban hotels or even hotels in Downtown Toronto looking for such activity. Or am I wrong?

Despite my thinking on this, I do believe that a partaker of services like myself and others should not take things lightly and act more cautiously when seeing SPs on outcalls, hence that is why I am posing the question.

I am a US citizen that occasionally books escorts while visiting Ontario a few times a year for 1-2 hour sessions and I stay in chain hotels such as Marriott or Holiday Inns and occasionally an higher-end or "boutique" hotel Downtown. I have seen escorts in the GTA, Niagara Falls & Windsor and have been a sporadic user of escort services for about 12 years now but I would hate to not be able to do this anymore because of the new laws.

If you are similar type of client like I am regarding what I had just mentioned, what is your take on this? What are you planning to do or not do in the wake of C-36 ?

Any opinions or feedback is appreciated.

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Escort agencies are still completely legal and many escort agencies like us are fully registered business. So as long as an agency advertise companionship without mentioning services like bbbj,cim,greek and etc then you are basically paying for companionship. Its absolutely legal to pay for a companion as long there is nothing mentioned about money transaction for sex. As long as you stick to the reviewed Independent ladies and Agencies you will be fine. The only time you can get in trouble if you call an undercover cop escort and say to her something like "How much for bbbj or greek?".Stick to Indy ladies and agencys that are reviewed by known member's of the board and you have nothing to worry about.
 

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Yes. And lots of guy with arrests and convictions for prostitution. Crackdowns don't make it go away, they just make ordinary people criminals. Saying there is prostitution in the US, even where the law is aggressively enforced, doesn't contradict that it is aggressively enforced. There's a certain percentage of clients who will just take the chance and/or don't care if they get a misdemeanor on their record.
 

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Hello

Escort agencies are still completely legal and many escort agencies like us are fully registered business. So as long as an agency advertise companionship without mentioning services like bbbj,cim,greek and etc then you are basically paying for companionship. Its absolutely legal to pay for a companion as long there is nothing mentioned about money transaction for sex. As long as you stick to the reviewed Independent ladies and Agencies you will be fine. The only time you can get in trouble if you call an undercover cop escort and say to her something like "How much for bbbj or greek?".Stick to Indy ladies and agencys that are reviewed by known member's of the board and you have nothing to worry about.
There are a lot of assumptions in your post. You are assuming the police will basically choose not to enforce the law, or that they will only put minimal effort into enforcement. If they choose to put effort into enforcing it they have lots of legal and investigative tools at their disposal to go after pretty much anyone. It is just a matter of how much time they invest. Ultimately the purchase of sex is illegal, even if the ads don't mention it.

An example of one of the tools at their disposal: They could summons one of your employees to appear in court and force her to testify under oath on penalty of perjury if she lies, and they will have collected some evidence already to trip her up if she wants to try lying. Then what will you do? Odds are our employee will crack and co-operate and provide first hand direct eye witness testimony that you knew exactly what was being sold. They can then use contact logs and phone records to hunt down customers and charge them using the same eye witness testimony.

That is a lot of effort for them, but if they decide to go after an agency for some reason they can certainly do that sort of thing.

Will they do that? In Toronto probably not unless they decide for some reason that an agency is involved in something worse, or there have been complaints, or whatever. But it's possible. And sometimes agencies that everybody thought were reliable and trustworthy turn out to be involved in super dodgy stuff.
 

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There are a lot of assumptions in your post. You are assuming the police will basically choose not to enforce the law, or that they will only put minimal effort into enforcement. If they choose to put effort into enforcing it they have lots of legal and investigative tools at their disposal to go after pretty much anyone. It is just a matter of how much time they invest. Ultimately the purchase of sex is illegal, even if the ads don't mention it.

An example of one of the tools at their disposal: They could summons one of your employees to appear in court and force her to testify under oath on penalty of perjury if she lies, and they will have collected some evidence already to trip her up if she wants to try lying. Then what will you do? Odds are our employee will crack and co-operate and provide first hand direct eye witness testimony that you knew exactly what was being sold. They can then use contact logs and phone records to hunt down customers and charge them using the same eye witness testimony.

That is a lot of effort for them, but if they decide to go after an agency for some reason they can certainly do that sort of thing.

Will they do that? In Toronto probably not unless they decide for some reason that an agency is involved in something worse, or there have been complaints, or whatever. But it's possible. And sometimes agencies that everybody thought were reliable and trustworthy turn out to be involved in super dodgy stuff.

You got it all wrong mate. Girls can't be prosecuted or forced to come to court. Its fully legal for them. Read the law. They can't force girls to testify. Its legal to sell that means they CANT FORCE HER TO GO TO CORT and testify on the client .Contact logs and phone records?I dont keep any unless being asked to by the regular clients?Those who wanted us to save their contacts can be deleted in 5 seconds,gone. I have a registered business people call me every day for companionship. Show me a part in the new law where it says that if you called an escort agency and saw a girl you will get in trouble. All it says that you cant pay for sex. Girl will be an eye witness? If they both committed a crime client and a girl as you are saying then she cant be an eye witness. It would have to be somebody else a third person who was holding a candle in the room:). The only time you will get caught if there is physical evidence of you paying for sex. If cop will be holding a candle during the service then you might be in trouble. What you are saying is a bit crazy. Please speak with a lawyer or a cop or simply read the law.

And if its illegal to call an escort agency and order girls then why am I able to register my business as an escort and pay my freaking taxes every year? Escort simply means companionship. We don't sell sex. We sell companionship.
 

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You got it all wrong mate. Girls can't be prosecuted or forced to come to court. Its fully legal for them. Read the law. They can't force girls to testify. Its legal to sell that means they CANT FORCE HER TO GO TO CORT and testify on the client .Contact logs and phone records?I dont keep any unless being asked to by the regular clients?Those who wanted us to save their contacts can be deleted in 5 seconds,gone. I have a registered business people call me every day for companionship. Show me a part in the new law where it says that if you called an escort agency and saw a girl you will get in trouble. All it says that you cant pay for sex. Girl will be an eye witness? If they both committed a crime client and a girl as you are saying then she cant be an eye witness. It would have to be somebody else a third person who was holding a candle in the room:). The only time you will get caught if there is physical evidence of you paying for sex. If cop will be holding a candle during the service then you might be in trouble. What you are saying is a bit crazy. Please speak with a lawyer or a cop or simply read the law.

And if its illegal to call an escort agency and order girls then why am I able to register my business as an escort and pay my freaking taxes every year? Escort simply means companionship. We don't sell sex. We sell companionship.
In fact they can force her to go to court as a witness for the prosecution, not as an accused. Because she is not incriminating herself she can be put on the stand and forced to testify against the agency and against her clients as an eye witness to the crimes they (not she) committed.

Now, maybe she will lie and risk perjury in order to save your ass and her clients. Or maybe she will decide that since she faces absolutely no criminal penalty whatsoever for honest testimony, whereas she could be jailed for perjury if she lies under oath on the stand, maybe she will decide to burn you in order to save herself.

You are the one who does not understand the law. You mistakenly think that because an SP cannot be arrested or charged that she cannot be forced to testify. You are flat wrong about that.
 

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In fact they can force her to go to court as a witness for the prosecution, not as an accused. Because she is not incriminating herself she can be put on the stand and forced to testify against the agency and against her clients as an eye witness to the crimes they (not she) committed.

Now, maybe she will lie and risk perjury in order to save your ass and her clients. Or maybe she will decide that since she faces absolutely no criminal penalty whatsoever for honest testimony, whereas she could be jailed for perjury if she lies under oath on the stand, maybe she will decide to burn you in order to save herself.

You are the one who does not understand the law. You mistakenly think that because an SP cannot be arrested or charged that she cannot be forced to testify. You are flat wrong about that.
Show me where it says that she can be forced to testify by the police against the client that she saw? Unless a cop was holding a candle he or she got no proof or evidence that escort had sex with her client in the first place. She is not SP anymore. She is a companion or an escort. If I was wrong about what I am saying the government wouldn't let me register the business and pay taxes. If you think escorting is not legal or seeing them then you might as well believe in Virgin Mary and Santa Claus.
 

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Show me where it says that she can be forced to testify by the police against the client that she saw?
698. (1) Where a person is likely to give material evidence in a proceeding to which this Act applies, a subpoena may be issued in accordance with this Part requiring that person to attend to give evidence.

(2) Where it is made to appear that a person who is likely to give material evidence

(a) will not attend in response to a subpoena if a subpoena is issued, or
(b) is evading service of a subpoena,
a court, justice or provincial court judge having power to issue a subpoena to require the attendance of that person to give evidence may issue a warrant in Form 17 to cause that person to be arrested and to be brought to give evidence.
 

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698. (1) Where a person is likely to give material evidence in a proceeding to which this Act applies, a subpoena may be issued in accordance with this Part requiring that person to attend to give evidence.

(2) Where it is made to appear that a person who is likely to give material evidence

(a) will not attend in response to a subpoena if a subpoena is issued, or
(b) is evading service of a subpoena,
a court, justice or provincial court judge having power to issue a subpoena to require the attendance of that person to give evidence may issue a warrant in Form 17 to cause that person to be arrested and to be brought to give evidence.
Cool but its not in BILL C36. It doesn't apply to Escorts being forced to testify on the clients as far as I am concerned. Find it in bill c36. I didn't see it there. Did you see it there?
 

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Cool but its not in BILL C36. It doesn't apply to Escorts being forced to testify on the clients as far as I am concerned. Find it in bill c36. I didn't see it there. Did you see it there?
C36 simply updates the criminal code. That is already there in the criminal code. This is not new, it applies to ANY crime.

If you witness your neighbor murder his wife the crown can force you to testify as to what you saw. You could lie to help your neighbor beat the charge but if you are caught lying you can be charged with lying under oath (perjury).

Of course this applies to C36, just like it applied to any other offense anywhere in the criminal code.
 

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C36 simply updates the criminal code. That is already there in the criminal code. This is not new, it applies to ANY crime.

If you witness your neighbor murder his wife the crown can force you to testify as to what you saw. You could lie to help your neighbor beat the charge but if you are caught lying you can be charged with lying under oath (perjury).

Of course this applies to C36, just like it applied to any other offense anywhere in the criminal code.
She can simply tell the cops that there was no sex. Done. No sex no crime
 

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She can simply tell the cops that there was no sex. Done. No sex no crime
She could. That is lying under oath. If she gets caught lying she goes to jail. On the other hand if she admitted to everything she walks free as selling sex is no crime.

Why would she risk lying when she could be jailed for it, when telling the truth gets her off Scot free?
 

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She could. That is lying under oath. If she gets caught lying she goes to jail. On the other hand if she admitted to everything she walks free as selling sex is no crime.

Why would she risk lying when she could be jailed for it, when telling the truth gets her off Scot free?
Not under oath. If police will question her after the rendezvous with the client she can simply say we talked and nothing happened .Its that easy. I will speak with the lawyer when the final bill goes thru because from what I know there still could be some changes done before Dec 9.I will let you know what is the final verdict.
 
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No use arguing with Fuji. Despite everything he wants to fear monger. His info skewed & overblow some instances .... I WAS OPEN FOR 10 YEARS ..... in CHICAGO. I know!!! Enforcement was on problem situations. THUS selective enforcement. They did not just go around wide spread raiding & arresting....PERIOD!!! He can speculate all he wants about Toronto but bottom line cops will continue selective enforcement to meet their goals of going after specific problem situations as they do now in applying the laws about incalls / found in or coming out of & public communications.
 

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Not under oath. If police will question her after the rendezvous with the client she can simply say we talked and nothing happened .Its that easy. I will speak with the lawyer when the final bill goes thru because from what I know there still could be some changes done before Dec 9.I will let you know what is the final verdict.
The girl would be better to say nothing, than to lie to the police. Think her only obligation would be to identify herself when asked. Easier said than done when the cops are holding and questioning you.
 

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There will be no changes to the bill before December 9, it's already received Royal Assent. Any changes would have to be reintroduced as a new bill that would have to go through the entire parliamentary process.

If your lawyer says otherwise, he/she probably isn't a real lawyer.
 
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