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Do agency's keep copies of our numbers. C36 issue

Sugar-D

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hmm. Someone said they erased them, but do they keep copies.
 
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ChuckL

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I think they must. I just tried to book with ASB and the Booker asked me if I had ever been there before.
I truthfully answered no, but I was aware of them from terb and a friend recommended a specific sp to me.
She asked me for my friend's cell number so she could confirm that he was a past customer!!!!!
I'm not sure that I am very comfortable with that at all.
 

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I think they must. I just tried to book with ASB and the Booker asked me if I had ever been there before.
I truthfully answered no, but I was aware of them from terb and a friend recommended a specific sp to me.
She asked me for my friend's cell number so she could confirm that he was a past customer!!!!!
I'm not sure that I am very comfortable with that at all.
Check there notice in terb's updates and announcements. They will not be accepting new clients effective December 1st.
How long will that last?
 

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They will not be accepting new clients effective December 1st.
How long will that last?
It will last until they realize that shutting off new sources of revenue will not keep them in the lifestyle to which they have been accustomed.
 
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Deleted pretty much daily. Never kept .... see no reason to. Different girls flow through the agency. You like what you see that is available .... You'll call :eyebrows:
 

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A while back we used to keep it securely but after a few requests from clients to not hold their info, we decided to abandon the practice altogether except in cases where clients are blacklisted. Given the current changes in the law, we'll continue that policy.
 

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The answer is that you have no idea what information agencies keep our for how long. Public claims about policy are impossible to verify and most didn't even bother stating a policy.

Protect yourself. Use a disposable phone number.
 
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asuran

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hmm.... I believe Mirage keeps a record of our numbers as well.
That's how they keep track of us in their loyalty program.

I'm sure a lot of well organized agencies keep track of our numbers unless we ask them delete. Even then, who knows if it's really deleted.
Those who say they don't keep a record. Do you believe them?
Keeping track is also a way for them to filter out the good vs bad. It's a solid business practice, keeping a record of clients.

Indies keeps numbers of their regulars. It's also a way for them to recognize us.

There are many ways LE can get information. I don't know much about laws but they probably can somehow get the telecompanies for a caller-list to a certain number.
(If we look at our own phone bill, there is a record of all the numbers we have dialed and received. Agencies have that record too even if they delete our numbers off of their phones physically. It's just in the system already.)

If anyone is paranoid. What he should do is to either change his number and stop hobby-ing or get a burner phone and use that from Dec 6th onwards.
Pretty much the only options.
 

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The answer is that you have no idea what information agencies keep our for how long. Public claims about policy are impossible to verify and most didn't even bummer stating a policy.

Protect yourself. Use a disposable phone number.
Is this what you do? You said you had a "sugar babe", how did that work with a disposable number since she wouldn't know it was you calling if you used a new number each time you phoned or texted.
 

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Is this what you do? You said you had a "sugar babe", how did that work with a disposable number since she wouldn't know it was you calling if you used a new number each time you phoned or texted.
He could use a code word in his text. LOL
*shrugs*

I think by disposable/burner phone he/we meant one of those pay-as-u-go phones.
 

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Yes same situation with me. I have quit for a year now and when I was hobbying I was outcall only (it was strictly by the book). Now I know at least one agency has kept my record who I must have called 2-3 years ago as they sent me a text message that one of their girls is in Ottawa just last month. Now new laws are not retroactive but if they are busted after December 6, how can I prove that I haven't called them in 2-3 years and when I did it was outcall? I send them a PM asking them to delete mine and others' records and if they ever contact me again (I reminded them that after December 6 it will be an illegal act as per communications in ANY place) I told them I see it my right to take appropriate action. I hope that would be enough to force them to delete all records.
Most agency's including us have bookers working out of their own house. Location is known only to the owners. Booker will never work from the incall for discretion reasons. As long as agencys will advertise a simple companionship nothing will ever happened but if push comes to shove and agency gets raided the booker will delete all of the messages and phone numbers within seconds even if cops are knocking on the door and found out the address of the booker. Its in the agencys interest to keep things confidential. Confidentiality is the key in this business. But just because you called it doesnt mean you obtained sexual service. Maybe you called, changed your mind and never end up booking perhaps it was too expensive. Maybe you got the wrong number or maybe you just cuddled and talked with the female companion. You only get in trouble if you get caught paying for sex. You are welcome to call,book appointments and pay for companionship.Some clients request that we save them as regulars so when they call we will give them exactly what they want and they can simply book by text message without calling us but other then that we dont keep any records unless you ask us to. And by the way escort agencys are still legit business as long as sex is not being advertised. Happy hobbying!

Thanks. Sexy Friends Toronto
 

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I don't think it is true to say I can only get in trouble if I am caught paying for sex as of December 6, even communications in ANY place (even private media like text and email) would become illegal too, and I don't think that proof beyond reasonable doubt is needed to convict (communication is a summary offence)

Yes, as of December 6, communication in any place would become illegal so yes because I called it doesn't mean I obtained sexual services and even if I called and changed my mind then I can be charged with communication and even if found innocent later being charged is bad enough to ruin many lives. Remember that they have my records (likely in their computer as a regular customer) which means more than calling a wrong number lol and I certainly didn't call a well known escort agency (in my case 2-3 years ago) to talk about the weather. ALL AGENCIES MUST DELETE THE RECORDS OF THOSE WHO THEY KEPT BEFORE DECEMBER 6.
Absolutely you have a right to ask them to remove you from the records. Cops will not charge for what happened before December 6. The law is not retroactive. And after december 6 if you wish to contact indy or an agency as long as you dont text something like many backpage guys do "Hey babe,looking for a quick bj can give you 50?'' you will be fine. I repeat again that escort agencys are legit and registered business and it simply means companionship nothing more. You are allowed to call indys and Escort agencies just dont ask us over the phone stuff like "does she do cim,does she do greek'' and we will be fine and we will get thru this together
 

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Is this what you do? You said you had a "sugar babe", how did that work with a disposable number since she wouldn't know it was you calling if you used a new number each time you phoned or texted.
I use an app on my phone that provides a second number. I got rid of the sugar babe a few years ago. She also only had a disposable phone number, meaning not the one everybody else knows, but she did start learning a lot about me and that is one reason I ended that situation.

This becomes more important after December 6, though, and my post was really about what people should do after that.

The point is it doesn't matter what the agencies say they do. You have no way of knowing whether they really delete information, and if they even do, you don't know whether they delete it in ways that are unrecoverable or whether they are just dragging files into "recycle bin" on their desktops, or whatever.

You really have to take responsibility for protecting your own privacy through methods that make it irrelevant whether or not they delete numbers.
 

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Finding your number isn't proof of guilt, but it can start an investigation that can lead to proof. What the SP admits to the police, intentionally or inadvertently, and how detailed her files are, may fill in some of what they need for proof. Your own text messages, emails, etc, may also contain pieces of the puzzle.

Better for you if when they find that number it leads nowhere, thus ending that investigation before it even got started.
 

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As I mentioned how can I prove the date being before December 6? If and when they are busted for offering sexual services and undergo criminal investigations and hence LE gets access to their records and my contact info is found there without any date attached to it. And I also mentioned that even being charged (for communications) is bad enough even if later found not guilty especially those who are married (I am single). I hate to be in trouble for something which I did (and I regret now. Hobbying was never for me) which was completely legal at the time. Agencies have no right to keep the records of their customers (especially after December 6) or contact them unsolicited.
So let's say this agency you speak of has coordinated 4,000 appointments in 1 year, not an unrealistic number for a small group. In their records list, you would be on row 8,000 to 12,000 if you indeed saw someone 2-3 years ago. Are you trying to explain to your peers (actually that's a poor choice of words since "hobbying was never for you") that you feel it's plausible you will be the 8,000 to 12,000th arrest encompassed by this raid? or will they make one long print-out, scroll down the list, stop at your name and say "Jean Valjean! Monsieur, a serious... a grave violation of the public trust has been committed. An inferior has shown a complete lack of respect for the law. He must be exposed and punished! And I Inspector Javert will punish him!"

Let's all mitigate risk, not analyse it with an electron microscope.

Don
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So let's say this agency you speak of has coordinated 4,000 appointments in 1 year, not an unrealistic number for a small group. In their records list, you would be on row 8,000 to 12,000 if you indeed saw someone 2-3 years ago. Are you trying to explain to your peers (actually that's a poor choice of words since "hobbying was never for you") that you feel it's plausible you will be the 8,000 to 12,000th arrest encompassed by this raid? or will they make one long print-out, scroll down the list, stop at your name and say "Jean Valjean! Monsieur, a serious... a grave violation of the public trust has been committed. An inferior has shown a complete lack of respect for the law. He must be exposed and punished! And I Inspector Javert will punish him!"

Let's all mitigate risk, not analyse it with an electron microscope.

Don
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LOL, fucking priceless.

Andy
 
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