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Will outcalls be safer with Bill C36?

waynward

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So this Bill C36 is killing me. And I am having a hard time thinking how I will give up this hobby.

Since I started this Hobby I have only done In calls. However I live on my own in a downtown condo, so the logistics are there to do outcalls. Thinking this route maybe "safer" when the Bill hits. Since it will be harder to prove what happened in my own home. Certainly won't be any place to wear a wire :)

Any tips on this to protect myself further? What's been your general experience with outcalls? (As mentioned never done them)
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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No. There is not one type of "service" that is going to "safe".

You need to do your research. It really is that simple. Stay away from high traffic agencies like some of the Asian assembly line joints. Stay away from unknown BP girls. Use places like TERB. PM with known members about experiences. Be smart.

Honestly if men think with their big heads and not their cocks, most won't be affected.
 

whitewaterguy

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No. There is not one type of "service" that is going to "safe".

You need to do your research. It really is that simple. Stay away from high traffic agencies like some of the Asian assembly line joints. Stay away from unknown BP girls. Use places like TERB. PM with known members about experiences. Be smart.

Honestly if men think with their big heads and not their cocks, most won't be affected.
Hi traffic Asian massage and Asian in calls will be high on the target list. Opp Asian Crime Unit is just 'a waitin.
 

TeasePlease

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Hi traffic Asian massage and Asian in calls will be high on the target list. Opp Asian Crime Unit is just 'a waitin.
That's an assumption, based on nexus of probable criminal activity I suppose. But, if the authorities want to make a spectacle, the well-known and high profile spas/agencies will make better targets.
 

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That's an assumption, based on nexus of probable criminal activity I suppose. But, if the authorities want to make a spectacle, the well-known and high profile spas/agencies will make better targets.
That could be true. It depends on how LE want to portray it. If they want to show the stop of human trafficking, AND organized criminal enterprises they will go after the Asian places. If they want to show a simple arrest in support of the bill, they will take the lazy way and go after a top name agency.

Or the other side is they will set up BP sting operations to just to bust a bunch of johns.
 

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A lot will depend on the degree of enthusiasm police will show in enforcing this. I can't see Toronto police putting a lot of resources into this. Smaller places may be different. Hopefully there will be an appeal soon and while it's going through the system, police may suspend enforcement. There is an election next year but even if the Tories lose, it will take a while to get sorted out.
 

TeasePlease

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That could be true. It depends on how LE want to portray it. If they want to show the stop of human trafficking, AND organized criminal enterprises they will go after the Asian places. If they want to show a simple arrest in support of the bill, they will take the lazy way and go after a top name agency.

Or the other side is they will set up BP sting operations to just to bust a bunch of johns.
The perception that trafficking only happens in ethnic-based agencies is also an assumption. You don't have to look too hard to find pretty white girls brought from the east coast, for example, at "mainstream" agencies.

Anyway, back to the original topic, I'd say not necessarily. Outcalls were safer before because there was no risk of bawdy house charges for the client. Bawdy house is no longer concern. But, are you so sure that the lady you invited to your house is not LE? It would be a lot easier to set up a fake outcall service than an incall place....
 

GPIDEAL

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That's an assumption, based on nexus of probable criminal activity I suppose. But, if the authorities want to make a spectacle, the well-known and high profile spas/agencies will make better targets.
You don't have to answer this here, but doesn't LE need more evidence than an agency's phone #? It is the john that would be in trouble IF he's caught red-handed for handing over the consideration (assuming no evidence of communication). An SP has the right to remain silent, plus she's immune from receiving a material benefit (the envelope, which doesn't have my name on it). So how can LE trace the flow of funds to determine material benefit by an agency owner?
 
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GPIDEAL

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I think I answered this question before as only my opinion. Depending on where to outcall. Yes outcall to a large classy hotel would be safest in my view. Almost 100% safe if you called for established providers or those with history in established agencies and if you use hotel phone or untraceable cell phone, but outcall to your house is the riskiest. When I used to hobby I used to be outcall to my home only. This was the safest as it was the only legal way to do it in soon to become good old days with good old laws but will be the most dangerous way post C36. Again my opinion only.
If you're single, why would outcall to your home with a regular provider be riskiest?

There's no evidence that a room was booked, and perhaps no witnesses like a front desk or CCTV (assuming nothing to make your neighbor pry).
 

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Not safe, but safer/
just don't talk about money or escort services at all; not in the email, and not when she arrives. For all communications this is a date
Leave an envelope, maybe label it "mortgage" on the table; very visible..if she is a real escort she will understand and take it.
if she starts asking tribute questions; just say no; you thought this was a date as you wrote her on your emails

Also, I think police officers will feel a lot safer with an incall sting; there they will have everything under their control. So why do outcall stings while incall yield the same and is easier and safer?
 

Titalian

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The perception that trafficking only happens in ethnic-based agencies is also an assumption. You don't have to look too hard to find pretty white girls brought from the east coast, for example, at "mainstream" agencies.

Anyway, back to the original topic, I'd say not necessarily. Outcalls were safer before because there was no risk of bawdy house charges for the client. Bawdy house is no longer concern. But, are you so sure that the lady you invited to your house is not LE? It would be a lot easier to set up a fake outcall service than an incall place....
Outcalls, incalls or hotel calls doesn't matter, I think the first line of defence from the sp for our sake, is never to divulge any of these in her ads. Let LE try to figure it out.
That should only be mentioned in private conversations between client and provider.
 

whitewaterguy

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That's an assumption, based on nexus of probable criminal activity I suppose. But, if the authorities want to make a spectacle, the well-known and high profile spas/agencies will make better targets.
I think your assuming I haven't any inside contacts. Sorry, that's straight from my inside sources with whom I've been professionally engaged for the past 23 years.

Some of these little voices have called me up in the past over the years and cautioned me about frequenting certain Asian in calls, and low and behold, a few weeks later ....busted, I fully trust their advice about upcoming projects.

Asian in calls are high priority for the Asian crime unit..as there's an abundance of questionable activities there in the trafficking and confinement realms. that's about all I'm going to disclose buddy. Hobby til ya drop..or they drop ya.....that's my best brotherly terbite advice for you. Your on your own now
 

Butler1000

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I'll be sticking to outcalls from repuable agencies out of town for awhile(NF, Montreal). I don't hobby that much anyway. And I need an excuse for the SO to get a room(see is used to my gambling runs to Niagara and one/two trips without her). I'll reaccess next fall and see how LE and the new chief are treating this.

Personally I think its going to be just fine. LE will go after the bad elements and leave the good ones alone. The agencies that treat there girls well will be fine but the bad ones may now find themselves in hot water if they treat their girls badly.

And BP and the like will be persa non grata with me.

There was always a risk. Always. The boards will become more important than ever.

I'm not sure where Fred moved the board too but I hope he puts up guidelines shorty if there any changes to how the reviews are to go.
 

GPIDEAL

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Yes I was single and yes it WAS safest because it was legal. But now by inviting someone to your home where you live you actually disclose all the information about yourself in post C36 you will be engaged in a summary or indictable offence (both carrying criminal records) which if latter then I believe there is no statue of limitation on that offence so if you don't mind someone holding a gun on your head for the rest of your life then you may not regard it risky. Also all it takes is a nosy neighbor to call LE when they see you every weekend with a different girl as USED to be the case with me. But then it was legal.

Ps - I am sure overwhelming majority of providers are honorable and discrete but God save you if you come across the wrong one or if you take a risk and call an unknown one.
Okay but I don't see how this is less risky than your own outcall, after you've booked it and left incriminating evidence on record.

With your home, there's less of an audit trail.

Fuck the neighbor. Get your favorite gal to dress up as a maid.
 

Titalian

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I'll be sticking to outcalls from repuable agencies out of town for awhile(NF, Montreal). I don't hobby that much anyway. And I need an excuse for the SO to get a room(see is used to my gambling runs to Niagara and one/two trips without her). I'll reaccess next fall and see how LE and the new chief are treating this.

Personally I think its going to be just fine. LE will go after the bad elements and leave the good ones alone. The agencies that treat there girls well will be fine but the bad ones may now find themselves in hot water if they treat their girls badly.

And BP and the like will be persa non grata with me.

There was always a risk. Always. The boards will become more important than ever.

I'm not sure where Fred moved the board too but I hope he puts up guidelines shorty if there any changes to how the reviews are to go.
Don't really know what Fred's plans are, but I know of one other board, that have started the ball rolling on this.
 

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That's an assumption, based on nexus of probable criminal activity I suppose. But, if the authorities want to make a spectacle, the well-known and high profile spas/agencies will make better targets.
Do you know how much time & $$$ & undercover work that would take? Have you spoke with enforcement? Higher ups? Have you seen more cops hired? Budgets increase?

I have. Trafficking is their priority. Budget cuts. Minimal resources. And many that haven't a clue what c36 even is. And no, I don't mean just street cops. I mean their bosses. And their bosses boss. And morality. And sex crimes. And and and.

Body rub parlors sell bodyrubs. Adult entertainment centers sell adult entertainment. That is all.
 

Ryan4life

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I keep hearing how the police wont enforce it as they dont have the budget to do so. How do they manage to do it in the states? There crime rates are much higher than ours yet they still manage to bust escorts and johns.
 
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