Sue-Ann Levy (Sun) - Liberals refuse to make needed spending cuts

The real solution to deficits is neither cuts nor tax increases it is GROWTH. Business is not spending. Therefore there will be no growth without government stimulation and increases in aggregate demand.

How does the government stimulate the economy? By spending on needed infrastructure and by quantitative easing.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to increase the minimum wage, make unionization easire, cut taxes but only for the poor, if Canada, increase welfare and EI, pensions. Money must be spent causing economy to roar.

Lovehobby said:

The real solution to deficits is neither cuts nor tax increases it is GROWTH. Business is not spending. Therefore there will be no growth without government stimulation and increases in aggregate demand.

How does the government stimulate the economy? By spending on needed infrastructure and by quantitative easing.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to increase the minimum wage, make unionization easire, cut taxes but only for the poor, if Canada, increase welfare and EI, pensions. Money must be spent causing economy to roar.

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1. The minimum wage is high enough.

2. Make Unionization easier? Are you high? The labour laws in Ontario are already hugely in favour of collectivization and if anything, Ontario should become a right to work province. Unionization and the stupidity that comes with it is the reason that the auto manufacturers are leaving in droves, Cat shut down 2 plants and this province has the highest labour rates in all of North America.

3. The poor don't pay any taxes.

4. EI and Welfare? How bout, "get a job". Encourage deadbeats to work instead of depend on the government.

james t kirk said:

1. The minimum wage is high enough.

2. Make Unionization easier? Are you high? The labour laws in Ontario are already hugely in favour of collectivization and if anything, Ontario should become a right to work province. Unionization and the stupidity that comes with it is the reason that the auto manufacturers are leaving in droves, Cat shut down 2 plants and this province has the highest labour rates in all of North America.

3. The poor don't pay any taxes.

4. EI and Welfare? How bout, "get a job". Encourage deadbeats to work instead of depend on the government.

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Right to work simply means "The Right to work for less." It lowers wages which is a disaster for an economy that needs demand. The minimum wage would need to be $15 per hour to have the purchasing power it had in 1968.

The poor pay HST, take it off anything they use,

There are no jobs dufus, that is the problem.

So simple

Lovehobby said:

The real solution to deficits is neither cuts nor tax increases it is GROWTH. Business is not spending. Therefore there will be no growth without government stimulation and increases in aggregate demand.

How does the government stimulate the economy? By spending on needed infrastructure and by quantitative easing.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to increase the minimum wage, make unionization easire, cut taxes but only for the poor, if Canada, increase welfare and EI, pensions. Money must be spent causing economy to roar.

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Keep on hearing about increasing the " minimum wage".

To what $15/hr,...$20/hr,...if more is good,… why not $30/hr,... unionised workers can black mail to get that rate, with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for the rate, to do menial, none skilled labour ,...

So if that’s is a workable economic concept,…there is no reason why everybody should get $30/hr…to flip burgers,…no different than the sweeper in a union shop.

Why bother unionising everybody,…just make the minimum $30/hr,…problem solved.
The ecocomicy soars…(no I did not misspell)

What would you suggest the new rate should be,... and how do you think that rate be "enough",...1 year,…2 years,…3 years ???

FAST

FAST said:

Keep on hearing about increasing the " minimum wage".

To what $15/hr,...$20/hr,...if more is good,… why not $30/hr,... unionised workers can black mail to get that rate, with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for the rate, to do menial, none skilled labour ,...

So if that’s is a workable economic concept,…there is no reason why everybody should get $30/hr…to flip burgers,…no different than the sweeper in a union shop.

Why bother unionising everybody,…just make the minimum $30/hr,…problem solved.
The ecocomicy soars…(no I did not misspell)

What would you suggest the new rate should be,... and how do you think that rate be "enough",...1 year,…2 years,…3 years ???

FAST

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The aim is to have it as high as it can possibly be without any negative consequences. This is in the $15/hour range right now. It should be tied to the CPI but politicians are reluctant. It should always go up just as fast as the average industrial wage. It it does not it is actually being cut.

How high is up

Lovehobby said:

The aim is to have it as high as it can possibly be without any negative consequences. This is in the $15/hour range right now. It should be tied to the CPI but politicians are reluctant. It should always go up just as fast as the average industrial wage. It it does not it is actually being cut.

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WHY would it have negative consequencesif it was say,...$30/hr ???

Why tie it to the average industrial wage,...that has gone down or stagnated in recent years,...(unionised anyway),...why not to civil servants wages,...like teachers ???

FAST

FAST said:

WHY would it have negative consequencesif it was say,...$30/hr ???

Why tie it to the average industrial wage,...that has gone down or stagnated in recent years,...(unionised anyway),...why not to civil servants wages,...like teachers ???

FAST

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Why not CPI most inflation protected things are liked to CPI. In a recession, raising the MW does not cause unemployment. During better times it is debated.

Lovehobby said:

The real solution to deficits is neither cuts nor tax increases it is GROWTH. Business is not spending. Therefore there will be no growth without government stimulation and increases in aggregate demand.

How does the government stimulate the economy? By spending on needed infrastructure and by quantitative easing.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to increase the minimum wage, make unionization easire, cut taxes but only for the poor, if Canada, increase welfare and EI, pensions. Money must be spent causing economy to roar.

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One can argue that the deficit in this province is due to the fact that the Liberals spent time and money on all the wrong things, instead of for the public good.

shakenbake said:

One can argue that the deficit in this province is due to the fact that the Liberals spent time and money on all the wrong things, instead of for the public good.

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Easy to say, name the "wrong things" other than gas plants. One persons "unnecessary" is another persons "critical".

FAST said:

Keep on hearing about increasing the " minimum wage".

To what $15/hr,...$20/hr,...if more is good,… why not $30/hr,... unionised workers can black mail to get that rate, with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for the rate, to do menial, none skilled labour ,...

So if that’s is a workable economic concept,…there is no reason why everybody should get $30/hr…to flip burgers,…no different than the sweeper in a union shop.

Why bother unionising everybody,…just make the minimum $30/hr,…problem solved.
The ecocomicy soars…(no I did not misspell)

What would you suggest the new rate should be,... and how do you think that rate be "enough",...1 year,…2 years,…3 years ???

FAST

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Just compare the health of the US, which has largely implemented most of those policies you advocate, with the health of the norther European countries which have supported unions and wage protections.
The US is a disaster, high unemployment, low life expectancy, lower literacy....by pretty much every metric, those policies are failing.
Why bring more failed policies up here?

Right to work has done wonders for the economies of Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana.... hey wait.

Moviefan-2 said:

How about the Clean Energy Benefit (which actually encourages more energy use).

Or the outrageous subsidies for renewable energy.

Or the doubling up of both teachers and early childhood educators in full-day kindergarten classes -- a sop to the unions to create a whole bunch of unnecessary teaching positions.

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All great ideas. If you don't shift to rewewable energy you will die.

Lovehobby said:

The real solution to deficits is neither cuts nor tax increases it is GROWTH. Business is not spending. Therefore there will be no growth without government stimulation and increases in aggregate demand.

How does the government stimulate the economy? By spending on needed infrastructure and by quantitative easing.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to increase the minimum wage, make unionization easire, cut taxes but only for the poor, if Canada, increase welfare and EI, pensions. Money must be spent causing economy to roar.

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Oh bloody hell.... we really need a bloody revolution to cleanse this country of this type of moronic thinking. How about you fucking socialists get the fuck out of my pocket and I'll have more to spend and take care of my family rather than giving it to corrupt theiving pieces of shit to blow on moronic grants, boondoggles and hangers on. Government should never be a growth industry. We should not have 1 government employee for every 5 citizens. It should be more like 1 for 100. Easier unionization? O.K. buddy you'll attract industry and growth with that. Jesus fucking christ how stupid.

james t kirk said:

3. The poor don't pay any taxes.

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Never heard of HST? I was not aware the poor were exempt.

dirk076 said:

Oh bloody hell.... we really need a bloody revolution to cleanse this country of this type of moronic thinking. How about you fucking socialists get the fuck out of my pocket and I'll have more to spend and take care of my family rather than giving it to corrupt theiving pieces of shit to blow on moronic grants, boondoggles and hangers on. Government should never be a growth industry. We should not have 1 government employee for every 5 citizens. It should be more like 1 for 100. Easier unionization? O.K. buddy you'll attract industry and growth with that. Jesus fucking christ how stupid.

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You fit in well with tea party yahoos. They are also ignorant of modern economics. No aggregate demand no economy. The role of government is to move money from 1% to 99%so that people can afford to buy things.

dirk076 said:

Oh bloody hell.... we really need a bloody revolution to cleanse this country of this type of moronic thinking. How about you fucking socialists get the fuck out of my pocket and I'll have more to spend and take care of my family rather than giving it to corrupt theiving pieces of shit to blow on moronic grants, boondoggles and hangers on. Government should never be a growth industry. We should not have 1 government employee for every 5 citizens. It should be more like 1 for 100. Easier unionization? O.K. buddy you'll attract industry and growth with that. Jesus fucking christ how stupid.

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That is the Hoover thinking that caused the Great Depression

Lovehobby said:

That is the Hoover thinking that caused the Great Depression

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LOL.....Righhhhttttt. Government does not create jobs. People do. Governments fuck up every thing they touch. Every level of government in this country needs an enema. McGuinty, Wynne and their band of thieves are the most corrupt government in the history of this Province. Whorevath is another tax sucking twit. The problem with socialists is they are not going to move it from the 1% to the 99%. Their definition of the 1% includes everyone over a slight middle income and then they will transfer it to lobbyists, cronys and their corrupt hangers on. Socialists are great at spending other peoples money. They are a plight on the taxpayer, a cancer if you will. They are far worse than the 1%.

Lovehobby said:

You fit in well with tea party yahoos. They are also ignorant of modern economics. No aggregate demand no economy. The role of government is to move money from 1% to 99%so that people can afford to buy things.

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The role of the government is to regulate, and to maintain order and peace. It is not to steal what I EARN, with MY LABOUR, for MY FAMILY. If you want to buy more, work harder. If you want a better job, educate yourself and work harder. I don't work for you. I don't create my personal wealth to give to you. If people were taxed less, they will have more to spend. The level of taxation from income to consumption taxes are obscene and unsustainable. In fact they are reaching revolutionary levels . People have no more to give. Especially with the return we get from corrupt, thieving governments like we have in this Province. Want to know why we have little industry or manufacturing left in Ontario Einstein? People like you.