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bill_1279

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Well, since most of the engineering jobs have gone offshore because of cheaper engineers in other countries, and the Canadian govt is doing nothing about it, we have a very large surplus of engineers in Canada.

So, I can't help thinking the solution is very simple: companies should start to hire engineers at the global wage, which is about $25000 to $32000. I know this sounds nuts, but the alternative is for the govt to fix the problem. Do you really want the govt to try to fix anything? All they do is f! it up and it costs a fortune.

This is a true race to the bottom. But it's reality. The reality is that canadian engineers can work for the global wage, or spend the rest of their lives looking for a job.

I heard that rogers already started this. I heard they had a few openings at about $32000 and the engineers were lined up to take the jobs.

A canadian could theoretically start a company in canada to compete with TCS in india. The only reason the jobs are in india is because of the cost. The canadian who starts the company could stand to make quite a bit of money. I don't know how many engneers TCS has, but I'm pretty sure it's at least in the 100s. And that's only one overseas company.

I know, everyone is saying 'can't live on $30000 -- best not to work'.

I believe within 5 years real estate in canada will drop significantly. I'm talking a drop of at least 60%. That will reduce the biggest living cost by 60%, so maybe $30000 won't be so bad. Also, remember, the gloal wage will be going up, and if engineers work at the global wage, the risk of outsourcing is next to zero. In otherwords they keep their career their whole lives.

I just think this is the best way to get our engineers working again. If this country does not have engineers working here in great numbers, I think we are in deep trouble. We need innovation to keep the economy growing. It's not good enough to just dig oil out of the ground.
 

39ajaxmale

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Lemme guess. You're a recently un-employed engineer? Offshoring has hit every industry, not just engineering.

Also.. Real Estate isn't going down.. know why? All those Engineer's in Mumbai are gonna move here in 2-3 years. That's right. And why not, now that they're rich with your Engineering job money, they've got bucks to blow here in Canada.

Your solace? They'll be unemployed as well, since they're gonna look for engineering jobs when they get here, and they've all been shipped to the country they just emigrated from. Who's laughing now? You are.. That's right.

I hope this makes you feel a little better, now you should try some re-training... start practicing 'Do you want fries with that?' before all those emigrants snap up those desirable jobs too.
 

danmand

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Why stop with engineers. CCap doctors and dentists income at $30,000 also, and bankers and financial industry employees at $20,000.
 

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This is already happening to some degree, airline pilots starting out are now making very low wages.

At the same time, we have some unskilled jobs that many people are unable to do well. Sound weird?
Farmers can't get Canadians who can pick apples quickly and without bruising them, migrant workers are willing and more skilled than all of us in some areas.

Maybe we need apple picking schools? :confused:
 

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39ajaxmale

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It's a simple case of supply and demand. Unemployment rates went way up in 2008, and the employers of this country found out that people were willing to earn less, and stay employed, for the 'greater good' of the company. Now that companies bottom lines are pushing out billion dollar profits like the banks and the oil companies.. now that the car companies are back on track... Nobody is rolling back the salaries.

Conversely, they're going out and finding cheap labor, people that are still willing to work for the 2008 wage. So you have a choice... take it up the ass, or get fired. There is no government that is going to put in wage caps for the public sector employee.. because 1% or 99%.. 100% get to vote. You can't put that great a spin on capping low level salaries.
 

bill_1279

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I think this is a brilliant idea.

Of corse the P Eng establishment will go out of their minds but the reality is that engineering jobs ARE being outsourced. Might as well keep them here.
If someone does create a company like this and makes a lot of money off of it and PEO says the salaries are too low, then the PEO should be told at that time 'what did you do to help engineers? You never even acknowledged there was a problem. You're just concerned with using engineering fees to buy a new building so you can have BIG important meetings talking about everything except the fact that NONE OF OUR ENGINEERS CAN FIND A F! JOB. '
 

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What bill_1279 has mentioned above is not a million $ idea.....it is inevitable reality coming towards us. I have just returned from India and can tell you that they are booming over there, thanks to all the easy credit $ and outsourcing of jobs. Their wages are still rising @ 20-30% per year and within 5 years they will hit the magic mark of middle point to which we will have to descend if we want to remain competitive.
 

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Unfortunately this might be the trend. Companies outsource positions overseas to make more profit, leaving unhappy, underappreciated employees here.
 

bill_1279

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I have to laugh. Yesterday I texted CFRB and commented that most of the engineering jobs are outsourced. Immediately a business owner phoned in and said he can't find an electrical engineer to hire. MY GOD. Personally I know 40 of them looking for a job. I know one guy, a very good engineer, spent 8 years looking for a job. He finally got one for minimum wage. He was happy to get that. Everytime I mention this though (no jobs) ALWAYS someone pipes up and says, well, you know there's a shortage of engineers. I wish these people that say this would let me know what companies are hiring. But somehow, that information is never given. Also, a few months ago on the Lang and Oleary exchange, some guy who used to work in waterloo said that once all those RIM employees lose their job, they have nothing to worry about. They can just walk across the street and get a job. MY GOD. These people either live in a different world, or they don't know what they're talking about.
 

bill_1279

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I got notified of losing my job about 2 weeks ago. My last day is 28mar2012. However DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR ME. I got a pretty good package, and I have more than enough money to last for a few years. I told my manager years ago to lay me off. This is VERY GOOD NEWS. I am going to attempt a career change. The way I feel now, I will NEVER BE AN ENGINEER AGAIN. The past few years were BAD. VERY BAD. I was competing against some of the best engineers in the country. I swear, these guys must have an IQ of 150 with a photographic memory. Everyone else is expected to compete with them. WELL, count me out. I've had enough of this. Also, no one complains about anything. Everyone is afraid if they complain about anything, they'll be laid off. What a SHITTY way to make a living. I am leaving the profession. GOOD RIDDANCE.
 

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how about we take the excess capacity of engineers we have here, who have actual experience and transfer that knowledge around the world and LIFT the wealth of the others around the globe to our income and wealth standards. same goes for teachers, doctors, and others...
 

bill_1279

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Again the lang and oleary exchange is spreading lies, or are competely uninformed, or are leaving out pertinent facts. They said the other day that due to the emergence of 'the cloud' that about 70,000 jobs will be created in canada. This was reported by some big shot in microsoft in canada. Then Amanda Lang asked the guy, where are all these jobs going to be created. He said something, but I have no idea what he said. Again, another person predicting many engineering jobs, but no details. Then Amanda pipes up and says something like 'Yeah, but we have such a shortage of engineers now, how can we possibly fill all those positions'. Does it ever stop? Here we go again. SHORTAGE OF ENGINEERS? HUH? Everyone I know who's an engineer got laid off in the past few years, and only one got a job. At minimum wage. These lies are very harmful. These young people are going to think if they get an engineering degree, there are many good paying jobs waiting for them. I think I'm going to write to the Lang and Oleary exchange and ask them to clarify their facts. It may be possible that are some engineering positions that cannot be filled because the hiring company refuses to train, and so hires from overseas to fill the position. This may make sense. I think I going to email Lang and Oleary. When my fellow engineers and myself talk about how Lang and Oleary say there is a shortage of engineers, we can't stop laughing. I wonder if Lang and Oleary realizes they are a source of laughter for us. With bad reporting like this, how can we trust their other stories.
 

bill_1279

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What bill_1279 has mentioned above is not a million $ idea.....it is inevitable reality coming towards us. I have just returned from India and can tell you that they are booming over there, thanks to all the easy credit $ and outsourcing of jobs. Their wages are still rising @ 20-30% per year and within 5 years they will hit the magic mark of middle point to which we will have to descend if we want to remain competitive.
Interesting info. Thanks for that. I talked to a colleague of mine, and he says that eventually the number of engineers entering the profession will to down to about 10% of what it is now, and then that will correct the market imbalance we have now. I disagree with him. I think it's going to go the other way. I think that the number of engineers available and going into the profession will stay the same, and we will actually get most of them employed, but the average wage will be $30,000.
The reason I say that, I see it starting to go in that direction now. Rogers recently asked for engineers to start at $30,000 and there was a stampede. Also, I see the compensation for contractors to decrease. Also, my salary was frozen for the past 12 years. I SEE THE WAGE GOING DOWN. I think it's just a matter of time this happens and there are thousands of jobs available. I give it 5 years, and we will have most engineers in canada employed, working for $30,000.
 

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how about we take the excess capacity of engineers we have here, who have actual experience and transfer that knowledge around the world and LIFT the wealth of the others around the globe to our income and wealth standards. same goes for teachers, doctors, and others...

I gather one outcome of the developing world having attained the same standard of
living as us is that they will embrace the car culture we so cherish in North America. We
will end up transferring our share of worlds oil resources as well as knowledge and
experience. Be sure you are willing to accept higher prices of gas and a lot of other things.
 
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