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Gyaos

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So far for AVATAR (according to Box Office Mojo):

TOTAL: $785,203,825 USD
Domestic: $309,011,000 39.4%
+ Foreign: $476,192,825 60.6%

Hmmm. But, but, but, it cost $750 Million USD to make it. :p

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Gyaos

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So far for AVATAR (according to Box Office Mojo):

TOTAL: $1,018,811,000 USD
Domestic: $352,111,000 34.6%
Foreign: $666,700,000 65.4%

Okay, that's +25%. But, less taxes and interest on debt hmmmm......+$92 Million. Now can someone give me $750 Million to do the same thing? :p

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Gyaos

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1 billion dollars - 500 million dollars (upper end of cost, all in) = 500 million dollar profit in three weeks.
Possibly the best investment in the history of mankind.
You don't even know what you're talking about. The numbers you're quoting are wrong, first. Second, the return, so far, is $92 Million in profit, you forget taxes, in fact international taxes, that cuts it all away. The toys are a loss. The video game has done jackshit, we are waiting for that. Can I have an Angus burger with my avatar cup coke drink? Dumpster.

If it cost $100 Million, even $200 Million to make, I'd be up in the heavens. :p Less people went to Avatar, the ticket prices were raised. That's the issue.

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Gyaos

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LOLOLOL
No, the numbers are right on.
$500 million in profit AND COUNTING.
Anything else?
Moron.
Dude, your books are from a gumball machine. Assuming your $500M to make the movie is correct (it's not, it was $750M added for merchandise, GAAT, the list is fucking endless), they never got cash to make it. They used debt to make it.

I remember Richie Cunningham graduated from college. The Fonz didn't.

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Gyaos

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Why didn't George Lukas make this movie?
George Lucas didn't make it because he has the actual cash (he owns the Star Wars franchise.....you have GOT TO see that contract from 1976, I have a copy of it.....amazing).

Lucas would have no intentions to pay $750M in cash in which the return was $750M, where the return on merchandise was at a -$0.00 return on debt. Merchandise is what really brought in the cash for Star Wars.

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George Lucas didn't make it because he has the actual cash (he owns the Star Wars franchise.....you have GOT TO see that contract from 1976, I have a copy of it.....amazing).
Too bad George Lukas will always be known as a "one trick pony". Has he done anything else besides Star Wars?
 

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Too bad George Lukas will always be known as a "one trick pony". Has he done anything else besides Star Wars?
You're joking, yeah? I know you Rockslinger, you're a funny guy. I'm sure you have heard of "The Young Indiana Jones Cronicles", right?
Oh yeah, that TV show that came from Lucas' RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and all those other Harrison Ford films! :D

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masterchief

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Dude, your books are from a gumball machine. Assuming your $500M to make the movie is correct (it's not, it was $750M added for merchandise, GAAT, the list is fucking endless),
Ah….here we go again. You know you really don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about, is that why you keep moving this same conversation from one forum to another once you’re found out to be daft as to what you are posting about?

Well since you once again feel the need….

The actually production costs for Avatar were under $500 Million.

The merchandising costs are never calculated in the production costs of the film, especially tie-in licensing (like Mc Donald’s). Those are actually monies that are paid in advance to the producers, so in the end whether any of it fails they producers/license granters have made their profit off of it already.

But none of that is calculated or applied to the production costs of the film, but if you actually knew what you were talking about you’d know this.

As for the taxes? Are you really that stupid? Most of these companies write off the taxes incurred as expenses, not to mention that to be proactive they set-up shop in areas that offer them tax incentives in the start that minimizes those costs (the new battlefield being VIS FX tax incentives)

As for advertising and promotion, once again that’s not a cost of production but one of distribution and should be calculated separately..

But these are all things you’d know about if you really understood the world of film production , film financing and distribution….and didn’t just regurgitate numbers and factoids you found on Wikipedia.

From day 1 you’re been trying to claim that this film would be/is a financial failure…funny how it’s been nothing but the opposite and has now into its third week of release shown no signs of slowing down.
 

Gyaos

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Ah….here we go again. You know you really don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Actually, I started this thread just so you could enter it, masterchief. You said it best, "most companies write off the taxes incurred as expenses." Yep. EXACTLY. Avatar and masterchef knows this one best.

Don't worry, I know you're getting your numbers from the triad.

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Gyaos

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(You're aware, of course, that the cost of making a film is, as a business expense, tax deductible, right? ... No, I didn't think you were. ROTFL)
That's right, which proves your profit claim isn't even close. The EXPENSE is what you're not being truthfully being told and it's an expense of debt, not cash.
Don't worry, masterchief knows, he eats Chex cereal.

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masterchief

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Actually, I started this thread just so you could enter it, masterchief. You said it best, "most companies write off the taxes incurred as expenses." Yep. EXACTLY.
Gyaos.
So you agree with me, so you then admit that your numbers about production costs for Avatar are wrong and you have no clue as to what you’re talking about.

I actually get my numbers and facts from actual real world experience, not by reading box office mojo, Variety and Wikipedia. That's the difference between us, so run along ….. Isn’t this your time to go scour more "facts' from the internet to repost later and try to act smart?

I'm not the one being run from forum to forum once everyone realizes I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. That honour goes to you.
 

masterchief

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That's right, which proves your profit claim isn't even close. The EXPENSE is what you're not being truthfully being told and it's an expense of debt, not cash.
Gyaos.
What?

Of course no one knows the total expenses, those figures can’t be calculated so quickly…sometime it takes at least a year following the end of principle photography to know what the actual production costs are, especially in this day and age of film production tax incentives. So what is offered up is the best estimation which is usually pretty close. There is no hiding of facts here, aside from the need for instant gratification of what the film costs once it's released.

And of course it’s an expense of debt. Do you really think that on day one of pre-production someone walked into the production offices of Avatar and gave them a sack full of money? Are you rally that naïve as to how the world of film production operates?

Try learning about completion bonds to start with (and I mean leaning, not looking it up on Wikipedia), maybe then you’d know what you were talking about
 

Gyaos

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So you agree with me, so you then admit that your numbers about production costs for Avatar are wrong and you have no clue as to what you’re talking about.
I actually get my numbers and facts from actual real world experience, not by reading box office mojo, Variety and Wikipedia. That's the difference between us, so run along ….. Isn’t this your time to go scour more "facts' from the internet to repost later and try to act smart?
I'm not the one being run from forum to forum once everyone realizes I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. That honour goes to you.
Dude, numbers from "actual real world experience" means your numbers are from incorrect sources. But why convince someone like you who's left have is on his cock, somewhere in Yellow Knife.
Go ahead, keep quoting the phrases BOM, VAR and Wikipedia. You write those names so well.

The production costs for Avatar are $750 Million USD. Don't worry, GS won't tell you the truth about "their loan". You're just banking on MGM's library return.

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Gyaos

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And of course it’s an expense of debt.
ROTFLMAO! Really? Gee, who would have thunk it. Since you quote Wikipedia's name a lot, maybe they'll go to all advertising. Then they'll really be in trouble as the copyright infringers they already are.

Gotta run, the ship has sailed buddy so start screaming "Banzai".

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