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How Much Do You Trust the OLG

How Much Do you Trust the OLG? (Head Office - not the retailers)

  • 100% all the games are run completely on the level

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • I am pretty sure things are fair -its the govt..right?

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • I have some doubts about it from time to time

    Votes: 27 55.1%
  • Most of the games are fixed (lotto draws/scratch) to increase the OLG profitability

    Votes: 11 22.4%

  • Total voters
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Pugsley

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The OLG runs all kind of PR regarding Integrity, Responsible gaming..and so on.

That said, how much do you Trust the OLG.

To be Clear - the question is NOT whether you trust your local store/kiosk lottery terminal operator. BUT ...How much do you trust in what the Head Office operations of the OLG is doing when it comes to the Honest and Legitimate Integrity and the running of all Ontario(and National thru OLG) Lottery Games as a whole.
 

theduke

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I don't trust them at all. First there was all the scams by retailers which in the long run, they are responsible for as they are selling and promoting OLG products.

Then there was the case of them not honouring winning scratch tickets, saying they were out in the general public for circulation by mistake.

Years ago they had Proline games available when the games were already over, think it was Olympic or WC Hockey.

I am waiting for the day, possibly tonight, when they say your $35 million dollar 649 ticket is not valid because it was misprinted.

They are incommpetant and cannot be trusted.
 

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poonhunter said:
I betcha any money it's gonna be Fred's ticket :D
lol I wish...2/6 again.
But I hope you nailed it Poonhunter

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Wednesday, August 05, 2009

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Next Lotto 6/49 Jackpot: $4million

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Fred Zed

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Wednesday, August 05, 2009

02 05 12 31 34 48
bonus: 4

6/6 $17,292,550.00

1 WC
1 Que


5/6+ $98,585.00 1 WC
6 Ont
1 ALC

5/6 $1,835.20 355
4/6 $62.10 19,859
3/6 $10.00 358,386
2/6+ $5.00 230,734

Next Lotto 6/49 Jackpot: 4 Million Est.
 

Keebler Elf

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This has gotta be one of the worst, most biased polls I've ever seen. I mean, why bother with a poll? Why not just say the OLG is corrupt?

Dude, at least learn how to create a proper poll. (Hint: giving a positive option but then tagging on a negative condition completely biases the poll)
 

Pugsley

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Keebler Elf said:
This has gotta be one of the worst, most biased polls I've ever seen. I mean, why bother with a poll? Why not just say the OLG is corrupt?

Dude, at least learn how to create a proper poll. (Hint: giving a positive option but then tagging on a negative condition completely biases the poll)
Thanks for your "Unbiased" comment.
I made a statement about the OLG and what they do to reinforce the trust of lottery players. A factual statement. I provided the options that I felt were equivalent to 100 % - 75 % - 50% and a lot less than 50%.
Where is the negative condition you speak of - I have to provide a negative option so that those who feel that way have that option to express their opinion. I wanted to know what people thought.

Because the OLG has tried to shift the focus of the trust aspect towards the relationship players have with operators -ie the problem is too many retailer winners.. rather than their responsibility to make the games honest and on the level. Why?? so they can get away with a bunch of crap like.......
How can they run games where the advertised first prize (Encore. Ontario 649...) is greater than total $ of all tickets played for most of the each of the draws. Obviously they are setting the winning numbers to be such that these top prizes are won every so often - ie the winning balls are just not dropping into the chute without a little bit of encouragement. For the larger draw games - certainly they build up the jackpot since their best advertising is to have big winners.. but the math works really strange much too often for those who don't win.
The odds of winning any prize are 1 in 54 for 649.
Regularly I am aware of several groups who play hundreds of dollars/tickets for all draws. How can it happen regularly on average 6-7 times out of 10 that $400 worth of tickets have not 1 winner. Thats 200 tickets... (all Quick Picks)-- the odds say 3 or 4 winners... but the odds mysteriously seem to fall in the favour of the OLG where time and time again not even one winner... its mathematically impossible.
Simply put - I believe - what they do is start with a bunch of numbers before each draw ie 10-15... for the majority of QuickPick tickets they will ensure that these numbers do not appear in combinations (as they might usually occur- ie less often -thats why there still are some winners) after 9 oclock on draw night they run a program/query to determine the combination that creates the lesser percentage of winners and those numbers get drawn - ask any magician the trick -it can be done easily. By doing this they ensure the 3-4-5-6 draws in a row without a winner to bring the big jackpots that attract larger amounts of $$$ played.
Duh -why do they force 2 QP numbers on you in Super 7 and again for the new Lotto Max.
Then they produce numbers for #s of winners in each category -1st prize is always dead on -they are good for advertising -but most if not all of the other amounts of winners get overstated to reduce the amount payable to each winner. ie. If the total tickets really played say the prize pool is 1 million for 4 numbers - based on tickets played they say there were 20000 winners and make a prize of $50 - in actual fact -because of the lower (QP) choosing of the drawn numbers - there were really 10000 winners (should be paid $100 each ) only get $50. The OLG pays out $500K less than they advertise and no one knows...they cheat like mad on the lower end prizes.
Its obvious... the amounts ($ paid) for 4 numbers(and other non fixed $ or 1st) - has dropped and dropped over the years.... they tell people its because less people are playing... lie... based on the odds the amounts should be consistent -there should just be less winners - not less of payouts.
They feel that if its OK to have an instant ticket be a loser before its bought and that the same goes for the quick pick LOTTO tickets... they know its a loser before the draw even is made. Its not enough for them that they pocket 53% of all $ played and only 47% goes to prizes.... that is completely ridiculous - total robbery. It should be mandated that 70% as a minimum should go to prize fund... even them making 30% with the millions played... they would probably generate bigger prizes and more players.
Look at the OLG website -they have their best Instant ticket sales in Toronto - GTA -but the VAST percentage of winners are outside the GTA.
How does the first place prize for Super 7 jump from only by 2 million when its over 10 million - do some math based on numbers of winners X odds per winner to calculate approx total $ played and the first place portion increase should be way more than just $2 million. They figure people dont pay attention to this and they can get away with all the crap they want.

If you do the math over the last 3 years for all Instant games -there should have been a quantity of winners of >$5000 on all Instant games equivalent to be enough for 1 for every 2.5 lottery retail outlets. Do a survey amongst the retailers in your area - I did over 50 and only 2 said they ever had a prize over $5000. The math does not compute - they distribute all of the pouches of tickets that produce more profit versus payout - ie $3 X 100 tickets = $300 sales - payouts for winners $130 - profit = $170. But they hang on to the majority of the pouches where the payout is greater than total ticket price for pouch. Just read the ticket or check their website -odds are based on total tickets not those actually distributed.... read between the lines.. they dont distribute some of the tickets... strategicly for profit... they will distribute less of the larger prizes.
They run a computer query to tell them these big payout pouches and distribute a portion of these - they have to have some winners.... They have a update of how many winners are still available in games - the info is as bogus as the winning numbers they draw.
When instant tickets started... way back..they started with one instant game... and just with one game.. there were signs seen all over.. most of the stores... "Winner Sold Here X dollars"..now hardly anywhere... and there are 30X more instant games and supposed prizes available.
Go to the Union Station lottery retailer.. look at all the old signs for many more winners back then... hardly any recently...and that place is busier than ever..and there are more games than ever meaning there should be more winners and they will tell you that they are lucky to add 1-2 signs a year ..for that location .....not logical... more winners previously when there were less overall games.
There are not near enough larger winners compared to all of the different instant games out there... its a huge con game... and they want us to believe that the criminals are the hard working store owners who are also our friends. What a scam.
Sign your ticket...... for a Free Ticket with no encore.. sure they ask you to do it once they know you dont work for the OLG..they dont bother.
Last year they said - we are changing Encore because the auditor general says we should not have free tickets... so no more free tickets.
And they were going to replace Super 7 as well....
NOW a new game -Lotto Max is coming out.... 3 numbers pay...surprise a free ticket... WTF
You get one line and 2 quick pick lines for $5 a ticket...wtf.
They want to ensure a minimum of 66% of lines played are generated by their... random????? program. I wonder why???
When they increased 649 to $2 a ticket it was to increase the minimum jackpot to $5 million - now its down at $3.5 -$4 million...
For Lotto Max - they tell us NOW Minimum jackpot $10 Million - I guarantee it will be $7 -$8 million in less than a year.

Do you remember Millionaire Raffle/Life (cant remember which) -(funny how their original advertising - the first time they ran this game was more or less "This kind of game wont happen again".... twice a year since wtf) - I saw photocopies of over $1000 of tickets.... all quick pick (hmmm..wonder why..no choice) --- the last 2 numbers pay $20 - in all the photocopies all but one 2 digit combination appeared... I played another $100 to try to see if I got that missing combination..nope.... 99% of the two number combinations were covered in all those tickets -a 99% chance to win $20 once. Guess which number was drawn -the 1% one... the missing one.
OLG bigwig bonuses are huge and based on profitablity... not ticket sales... they have all the motivation to do all that they do.
The rules around all their games need to be changed drastically - they can fool the vast percentage but not all.
It is obviously a huge scam at the OLG. The "numbers" dont lie.
I am not a biased person....trust me.... but this is only one man's opinion. Simple math proves things without doubt - why doesn't simple math work when it comes to the OLG.
 
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Hurricane Hank

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Wow. You have a ton of time on your hands.

I don't play. That's how I handle the OLG, OLCA, OLC. Or whatever their name is this year. I suggest you do the same Pugsley.
 

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Hurricane Hank said:
Wow. You have a ton of time on your hands.

I don't play. That's how I handle the OLG, OLCA, OLC. Or whatever their name is this year. I suggest you do the same Pugsley.
The money in your pocket is just as good as the money you might win but you will never win unless you play.
 

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Fred Zed said:
The money in your pocket is just as good as the money you might win but you will never win unless you play.

That much I get Fred. But instead of ranting like Pugsley, I simply don't spend my money on lotteries. "You gotta be in it, to win it."
 

Pugsley

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Hurricane Hank said:
That much I get Fred. But instead of ranting like Pugsley, I simply don't spend my money on lotteries. "You gotta be in it, to win it."
Thanks HH - I respect your commentary. Your comment relates to your choice and your situation only. Good for you. I wish that more people had your discipline. My comments are not just about myself but those of the masses. If you were asked to voice your comment on or consider what is being done to a lot of people who have so much to worry about in their lives..and probably their only hope is that one day their numbers might hit and their worries...gone. But those hopes do not have the chances that they would if the games were run with true integrity.
Yes - they do have winners -that is their best advertising.... its the fact that with every rule change, every new game, every innovation they try to come up with... if you figure it out and analyze them in honesty and fairness...the players lose everytime....
To all who have read or will read this thread - have a super weekend.
 

Hurricane Hank

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It's a pretty well known fact that lotteries are simply a voluntary tax on the working class. Just choose not to pay this tax. It's one of the few taxes you can control.
 

Pugsley

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Hurricane Hank said:
It's a pretty well known fact that lotteries are simply a voluntary tax on the working class. Just choose not to pay this tax. It's one of the few taxes you can control.
Yes - once again you exemplify your awesome skill in stating the obvious....others who have that same skill choose to just read the post and move to the next.
No where is the point being made that people (mainly myself) do not know that lotteries are voluntary taxation..... duh.... the sky is blue..too.
The point is the way over the top amount of corruption at the OLG...while proporting to be full of Integrity and Honesty in gaming..... they are far from it. So if you choose to add any input... but you dont play so you would not care... but if you do... on the corrupt OLG and specific reasons why they are or are not in your opinion... thats why we all love free speech... and thats the topic for this thread I started. Thanks
 

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Okay, I'll weigh in. I voted for option three as I have my doubts and, in light of what has come out over the past few years about insider wins, I believe that there may be other forms of cheating that we don't know of. The original question asked whether or not I trust them. I'd have to say that I lean closer to trust, or I wouldn't play at all. I think that the 'OLG' as a structure should be trusted, however I'm not so show of each individual who posesses a degree of responsibility in administering the games. Pugs, you seem to be very leery about the OLG. I can say tha I do know a person who won the Super 7, about ten years ago, so that kinda assures me that the money goes out. I don't think that the OLG would purposely rig the game, but if there were a way, I'll guarentee you that insiders would balance it in their favour; one way or another.
 

Hurricane Hank

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Okay. Yes, I trust the OLG to run legitimate games. Afterall, the slot machines also pay out something eventually.
No, I do not trust the OLG to run THEIR business with any kind of legitimacy or integrity. If you're white, you're one step closer to the door than any minority, all things being equal.
 
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