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Lottery 'Winner' Ponders Lawsuit After Being Told His $135,000 Wins Were Misprints

S.C. Joe

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Boy I would be pissed :mad: How do we know if they were winners or not anyways..if the ticket shows a win, you should collect..mistake or not!!

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_30720.aspx

Tuesday January 6, 2009
CityNews.ca Staff

Thomas Noftall really could have used the money. The 27-year-old lives in a basement apartment in Brampton with his wife and 21-month-old son.

So when the steelworker bought four Fruit Smash tickets and spent his New Year's Eve scratching off the numbers, you can't blame him for getting excited and thinking 2009 was going to be his year.

The first numbers that appeared showed he won $75,000. Three others totaled up to another 60-grand. With child support payments in his rear view mirror and times in his industry being tough, Noftall thought he'd hit the big time.

But it now appears all he really hit was a bump in the road.

When the young dad went to the Ontario Lottery Office to claim his six figure bonanza, he was stunned to learn the entity that controls the games of chance in this province wasn't about to give him a cheque for anything.

OLG claims the $3 tickets were misprinted and under the organization's strict rules, that means they're void. Spokesman Don Pister explains some 1,100 of the scratchers were printed with misaligned symbols and the corporation wasn't aware of the error until winners started calling in.

He apologizes for the problem, calls it very rare, and is asking anyone who may have purchased one of the accidental winners to contact the corporation immediately.

And he adds the rules on these kinds of odd occurrences are very clear, laid out to protect the system. Read them here.

The mistakes have been pulled from stores, but Noftall is far from satisfied, insisting his dreams of a better life have been pulled out, too. He claims some lottery officials told him he'd receive his money because the mistake wasn't his fault, while others have since dashed his hopes.

And he's not calling the OLG again.

This time he's considering testing his luck with a lawyer, trying to recoup some of the $135,000 he believed he'd won to start the New Year.
 

S.C. Joe

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They are selling and collect money for tickets that are "no good"...a sure lost..that is fraud. They should have a way to check the tickets before releasing them for sale...No worry for them, they win you lose....I hope he sues and collects MORE than what the tickets said he won. Either that or the lottery should somehow pay back the money they collected for tickets they claim are no good. They should be fine as well, what is to stop them from doing it again.
 

iprint

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why should just he sue,if i bought a ticket and it was a loser how do I know it wasn't a miss print and should have been a winner.
 

toughb

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TFB pay up.....
 

S.C. Joe

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iprint said:
why should just he sue,if i bought a ticket and it was a loser how do I know it wasn't a miss print and should have been a winner.

You don't...if they made and sold 100,000 tickets in a row with no winners, how would anybody know about it :confused:
 

Uzo

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if this happened in the US, he would be able to sue for the 135K plus another 250Million in pain and suffering...wonder what the rules in Canada are?
 

S.C. Joe

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Not for pain and suffering- 250 million uh uh but a million or two, maybe...that would be so the lottery would have a reason not for it to happen again. If it cost them money, they be more likely to take steps for it not to happen.

If the lottery needs not to pay any damages, then they have no reason not to cheat its player's--other than morels.

Now I am not saying the USA lottery's are 100% honest, no way..I am sure its all crooked in some ways. Some states are likely better than others.

Those scratch games are too easy to cheat the player's. The lottery also knows what tickets are winners and can decide which areas the high pay out tickets are sold.

Like how only the governments can have lottery's.
 

The Bandit

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If they are misprints and the OLG knew about the problem, why are they still on sale? He'll get something in a lawsuit.

I sympathize with him for that...but when he starts bringing up the thing about he could've used it for his back child support...then I lost alot of sympathy. He has a 21 month-old, and 2 others that he can't even support. F'n loser. :rolleyes:
 

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OLGC should pay the poor bugger.He bought the tickets in good faith hoping to win.Not his fault OLGC screwed up. PAY UP ONTARIO!!!!!!!!!!
 

JollyJoe

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Agreed! They should definitely pay up. Now they're going to recall those tickets? The bastards at OLG knew about it and never notified all retailers to post a sign at point of purchase? Creeps. Makes one wonder what the odds really are.
 

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So in a nutshell ...

Winning scratch and win tickets are misprints .....

I agree ... pay the guy OLG can then sue/Chase the printing company ...

with the recent stain on lottery tickets (vendors cheating consumers), why give yourselves another black eye ..
 

Uzo

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guess they settled:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/563266

Thomas Noftall, the Brampton resident who believed he had won $135,000 from a lottery ticket the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. says was a mistake has agreed to accept an undisclosed financial settlement.

After meeting with lawyers, the lottery corporation agreed to pay Noftall "in recognition of the grief he's gone through," since being told he'd get the prize money, even though he wasn't actually a winner, said OLG CEO Kelly McDougald at a press conference this afternoon.

"Despite the printing error, it was not a winning ticket," she said, adding that aside from what might appear on the card, the barcode is the only way to confirm a winning ticket.

When Noftall called the OLG contact centre, a spokesperson told him that he would be able to collect his winnings.

Both parties have agreed not to make public how much he'll actually take home to his Brampton basement apartment.

"There is general acknowledgement between both parties that he didn't have a winning ticket," said McDougald. "However, when he called in to our contact centre and asked if he would be paid in error, we erroneously told him that he would."

"There was a unique situation with Mr. Noftall, in that it was very explicit that we made a direct miscommunication with him."

A review of calls received at the contact centre ensured there has been no other miscommunication, McDougald said, meaning that 15 other "winners" and those who have not come yet forward are not likely to be compensated.

"It's always difficult to tell someone who believes they're a winner that they haven't got a winning ticket... We are not responsible for paying on non-winning tickets and I don't think the public wants us to pay for non-winning tickets either."

A printing error created 1,100 false winning tickets. It is estimated that between 50 and 150 of the defective $3 Fruit Smash scratch tickets were purchased. OLG said the situation has happened only three times in the past ten years.

"It is very clear in legislation and in game rules on our site that we are not to pay out prize amounts to misprinted tickets," McDougald said.
 

S.C. Joe

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Sneaks...they settle it out of court and kept the terms seal cause they know they will have to pay a few more other tickets as well...they will try to settle them as cheap as poss..reason they are keeping the terms seal.

I guess he got about half...they likely start of at 15%, then if that isn't enough.they go 20%...then after both parties yell and scream at each other..they hope 30% will do it..

Something like that went on behind close doors.
 

stang

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What a generous bunch that OLGC is. Three million tickets at $3 each and the prizes were three prizes each of $75,000, $25,000 and $10,000.
 

Bearlythere

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Is there any doubt WHY we should ever trust OLG. I made up my mind a long time ago not to buy any more lottery tickets of this nature. Scratch and lose is the title they should have. We have no guarntee's but their word that there are winning tickets out there.

Heck..with 6/49, they don't even put the draws on TV no more. The whole thing could be a fix for all we know. This sealing of the lips of anyone who deals with these gov't thugs is annoying too.

When will people quit playing tho? Suckers....

One only has to look at OLG's conduct in the dispute between the gentleman in Coboconk and OLG as was documented on the Fifth Estate to realize just how vindicitive and miserable SOB's they can be.....
 

S.C. Joe

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Here in the USA every so often a big lotto jackpot goes unclaimed, in Michigan there is a 18 million dollar ticket due to expire in a few days, you have either 6 months or 1 year to turn the winning ticket in or it is no good and the jackpot money goes to the state.

What I always never understood is how do we know a winning was ever sold, the state could just say there is a matching ticket when there isn't and then collect the jackpot. I am sure they do it sometimes but nobody can prove it :mad:
 

needinit

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S.C. Joe said:
You don't...if they made and sold 100,000 tickets in a row with no winners, how would anybody know about it :confused:

There are two parts to the ticket: the 'face' part which is the game that you are playing etc. This was mis-aligned and indicated a winning ticket.

Then there is the bar code itself which is what the OLG uses to indicate if the ticket really is a winning one.

The bar code section is what is monitored (that's how they know which batch of cards were mis-aligned etc). It is use of the bar code that also is monitored to ensure the odds are followed (x number of winning tickets per y) and also how they are distributed (ie winning tickets are not really random, they are spread over a geographical region)
 

tboy

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As the so called "reason" the ticket was not officially a winning ticket was the barcode, sorry, we live in an analog world and my eyes tell me what is a winning ticket or not.

If it is the barcode that determines if a ticket is a winner or not, why do they have scratch and win areas? They could simply just scan the barcodes after you've bought the ticket.

I think this guy was desparate for money else if it was me, I'd have sued for double the face value of the ticket.

Put it another way: if a player determines that the image shown on the face is a winning ticket or not, and if those images do not align, do they check the barcode anyways? I can bet you that 99.99% of the players DON'T check the barcodes.

So if an error was made to indicate a winning ticket, how many errors were made on what are actually winning tickets but indicated that they weren't?

This indicates to me that even on a 649 ticket you can choose 6 numbers, those 6 numbers are shown on the ticket, those 6 numbers can be drawn, and if the barcode prints in error you're fucked.
 
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