You CAN improve your odds

spiderman89 · Dec 21, 2008

Anyone who thinks there is a secret way to beat the odds is not too good at math. But.. if you want to increase your chances significantly join a lottery syndicate, whereby you go with a group and split the winnings. The problem is splitting the prize may give you less winnings.. so find a lottery that has winnings that are always significantly larger than the 649.

Can't form a group? Well here's a syndicate looking for members. Check out this pitch from a very cute english blonde.

http://www.v-w-d.com/redir.asp?m=137...t/eu_lotto.asp

What do you think?

Fred Zed · Dec 21, 2008

spiderman said:
Anyone who thinks there is a secret way to beat the odds is not too good at math. But.. if you want to increase your chances significantly join a lottery syndicate, whereby you go with a group and split the winnings. The problem is splitting the prize may give you less winnings.. so find a lottery that has winnings that are always significantly larger than the 649.

Can't form a group? Well here's a syndicate looking for members. Check out this pitch from a very cute english blonde.

http://www.v-w-d.com/redir.asp?m=137...t/eu_lotto.asp

What do you think?

Simply purchasing a large number of combinations without a good system in place will NOT improve your chances by that much. Most good systems
are very expensive, the reason some syndicates do well is they already have good
systems in place, they don't simply throw your money at Quick Picks.

spiderman89 · Dec 22, 2008

In most lotteries, 649 for instance, the chances of winning the jackpot increase with each ticket purchased whether the numbers are random or not. As each number has the same odds of coming up, any two double your chances as compared to one and four will quadruple etc. There is no system to pick better numbers or combinitions that will increase those odds.

The only way to increase the odds is to buy more numbers....hence the power of a syndicate.

Toke · Dec 22, 2008

I agree with Fred,

There is no system to get all six numbers correct, but there are 'systems' of play that will increase your return. Spiderman, your theory makes sense, but is also the most simplistic way of looking at the lottery. However, as a person who has yet to win, I respect your opinion.

I am not a lotto guru but, if you had the choice (and you do) would it not make sense to eliminate groups of lines such as those that show an obvious pattern (5,10,15,20,25,30 or 7,14,21,28,35,42) or lines that have too many running numbers (I think the Super 7 produced a long run within the past year, but no other runs nearly as close). Another great system would be to avoid selecting groups that have already been drawn. These are not tried, tested, and true, but if you were to read up a bit about the lottery, and take random distribution into account, you can increase your returns. Many systems claim to be able to predict the lottery, but anyone with half a brain knows that they are only shown to 'work' if someone who happens to be using it wins.

If you do not believe that there are strategies that can help you increase your return, then you may as well select numbers 1 to 6 or just choose the same numbers that won the previous draw.... According to your theory they have the same chance as any other combination of turning up.

anonemouse · Dec 22, 2008

Toke said:
I agree with Fred,

There is no system to get all six numbers correct, but there are 'systems' of play that will increase your return. Spiderman, your theory makes sense, but is also the most simplistic way of looking at the lottery. However, as a person who has yet to win, I respect your opinion.

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

It's difficult to wrap your ahead around it sometimes but....

The draw of each and every ball is an independent event. There are no patterns, there are no systems.

The odds of 5,10,15,20 being selected are the *exact* same as any other 4 numbers. Period.

But, I appreciate all the money that people put into lotteries since ultimately it reduces my taxes and the money goes to some worthwhile causes (Quest for Gold, for example).

You cannot improve your odds, unless you buy more tickets. Feel free to disagree with me, but ask any University math professor if they play the lottery on a regular basis and they will all tell you the same answer. It's the same answer most of us have:

No, I don't usually play, unless the jackpot gets high. Because while the odds are against winning.....if you don't play you can't win!

And yes, that describes my playing pattern as well. I could play 1 to 6, but I usually just play a quick pick since it takes time to fill out those bubble cards. It makes me feel like I'm back in school!

spiderman89 · Dec 22, 2008

anonemouse is 100% correct.

We think that a given sequence of numbers is unlikely to come up because it is unlikely, but no more unlikely than any other sequence. You do not have to have Ph.D. to understand it. It is simple probability. Can you predict the outcome of a coin toss. Yes you can, 50% of the time. Can you come up with a system to predict the outcome of a coin toss more than 50% of the time....no. There is no system to help in picking lottery numbers. Some numbers seem to come up more than others, but that too is nothing more than random chance.

If there was a truly successful way to predict would the all the lotteries all over the world still be operating?

I like to play even though I know the odds are astronomical, but I would never pay for predictions. You'd be better to put that money into buying a couple of extra lines.

It's all for fun anyhow... if you win, then hats off to ya!

Fred Zed · Dec 22, 2008

anonemouse said:
You cannot improve your odds, unless you buy more tickets. Feel free to disagree with me, but ask any University math professor if they play the lottery on a regular basis and they will all tell you the same answer. It's the same answer most of us have:

No, I don't usually play, unless the jackpot gets high. Because while the odds are against winning.....if you don't play you can't win!

We did not say you can predict the numbers that will be drawn.

What we are saying is that although every number has an equal probability of being drawn a good sytem for combining your numbers can generate a higher yield. Btw. there are some Lotto systems written by math or engineering gurus ( eg: Robert Serotic or Combinatorial Lottery Systems (Wheels) with Guaranteed Wins
by Iliya Bluskov ). You can review some of those systems for yourself - many of the systems have a sound mathematical basis.

anonemouse · Dec 24, 2008

Fred Zed said:
We did not say you can predict the numbers that will be drawn.

What we are saying is that although every number has an equal probability of being drawn a good sytem for combining your numbers can generate a higher yield. Btw. there are some Lotto systems written by math or engineering gurus ( eg: Robert Serotic or Combinatorial Lottery Systems (Wheels) with Guaranteed Wins
by Iliya Bluskov ). You can review some of those systems for yourself - many of the systems have a sound mathematical basis.

There are a lot books based on "junk science". There are a lot of people that take something that is physically impossible, and honestly believe that it is possible. Countless millions have been spent on projects like this that have no future. Cold fusion, anyone?

There is also "junk math". A wise man once said that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can manipulate data any way that you like.

These people are using their credentials (if you can call them that) to sell books, plain and simple. There is no mathematical basis for being able to "combine" numbers.

To put it bluntly (again): you cannot improve your odds unless you buy more tickets.

I realize that this is going to fall on deaf ears for the most part, given the other threads. But for people on the fence, it's absolutely true. By all means play the lottery, because you're purchasing a dream. And if you don't play, you can't win. Just don't think that there is anything you can do to improve your odds of winning, except buying more tickets.

Fred Zed · Dec 24, 2008

anonemouse said:
There are a lot books based on "junk science". There are a lot of people that take something that is physically impossible, and honestly believe that it is possible. Countless millions have been spent on projects like this that have no future. Cold fusion, anyone?

There is also "junk math". A wise man once said that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can manipulate data any way that you like.

These people

Whoa ! Review some of those books before you call them junk science.

You should do whatever works for you..after all it's your money.
Some of us have actually won decent money using those systems without breaking the bank, that's what counts.
But if you think purchasing a large number of combinations
is the only way to win by all means do that, just keep in mind
there are 13 000 000 combinations just for 649 !!! In all probability
you will declare bankruptcy before you win anything! The bottom line in gambling is this:
know yourself and know what works for you, then go for it !

nlt76 · Dec 26, 2008

agree with Anonemouse

it's real simple.. you flip a coin it has a 50/50 chance of being heads or tails.. if i told you i would only give you 15 bucks if you bet 10 bucks, would you say the odds are good? do you honestly think you could overcome the rip off by playing wheels, lucky numbers, hot numbers, etc?

the odds of 1, 2 or 3 coming up every single draw is the same as any other 3 numbers... past means nothing... unless you figure the balls are different sizes or weights? lol

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

nlt76 said:
agree with Anonemouse

it's real simple.. you flip a coin it has a 50/50 chance of being heads or tails.. if i told you i would only give you 15 bucks if you bet 10 bucks, would you say the odds are good? do you honestly think you could overcome the rip off by playing wheels, lucky numbers, hot numbers, etc?

the odds of 1, 2 or 3 coming up every single draw is the same as any other 3 numbers... past means nothing... unless you figure the balls are different sizes or weights? lol

again review a good book on wheeling, you'll get the idea - the fact for example is if you study
Keno's stats some general patterns are quite predictable:

eg: 10 odd 10 even on average
10 high 10 low. on average
5 primes on average per draw
5 repeats on average from last draw
70% repeating from previous 3 draws
now go through keno history stats, you will find these patterns to be fairly consistent! It does not matter that the lottery is random. Some general patterns will hold in many cases. You can't predict the exact numbers that will be drawn but you can at least capitalize on some general patterns.

You have to understand that the guy who wheeling is in effect
playing more numbers in one combination.

eg: for a 6 number game
you are playing 1-2-3-4-5-6

the wheeler is playing:

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9.....

so when you take into account the fact
the wheeler is incorporating other aspects
of the lottery he has learned in his number selection he will always do better
than the non-wheeler on average.

These are things I have tried nlt76, and I have the OLG winning slips to prove the methods
get results. But if you are winning by another method of course you should stick to that method.

nlt76 · Dec 26, 2008

i'll agree to disagree, Fred. i don't believe the past numbers/averages, etc are relevant at all. i believe it's purely random and that the negative odds give you no chance in the long run.

but! i do hope your luck continues! ..especially since some of that dough would go into hobbying... and we could always use pussy er uh hobby money.

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

nlt76 said:
i'll agree to disagree, Fred. i don't believe the past numbers/averages, etc are relevant at all.

of course they are. You know that almost every night 50% of Keno draw
are even numbers - why would you not capitalize on that ? And knowing that, would you play a game where all your 10 numbers were even ?

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

nlt76 said:
i'
but! i do hope your luck continues! ..especially since some of that dough would go into hobbying... and we could always use pussy er uh hobby money.

indeed ntl6, a lot of our money, however earned, ends up being "reinvested"
in the hobby..lol

anonemouse · Dec 26, 2008

I'm not going to continue this debate, since it's obvious that no minds will end up getting changed. Which makes this thread look like anything posted in the politics section.

I could argue that if you look at stats, of course 50% of the numbers drawn will be odd on average. Half the numbers will be high, and half will be low. If you flip a coin, on average it will be heads half of the time.

In any event, I wish everyone luck playing the lottery. That's exactly what it is, and it never hurts to dream. When you win it big, you can tell me that you told me so. If you really wanted to rub my nose in it, you could buy me an hour with the SP of my choice. That would teach me.

Cinema Face · Dec 26, 2008

Lotteries are probably the worst form of gambling there is. The expected return on the lotteries is something like 15 to 25 cents for every dollar spent. That’s probably the worst return on any form of gambling. Expected return is the sum of all the prizes multiplied by the odds of winning it. That’s why I hardly ever buy lottery tickets.

I’ll make an exception if there’s a lottery pool at work. I would dread the day that I came to work and everyone won the lottery except me. That would be a really shitty day.

lol

Joining a pool or a syndicate increases your chances of winning but you have to share those winning with the other people in the pool so the expected return stays the same.

These tracker and wheeler systems are just there to fool stupid people because the game is totally random (as random as humanly possible) so there’s no pattern to be drawn from a totally random event.

Lotteries are only good in that they give people hope. People hope they win even thought the odds are infinitesimally small. Still it’s a small sum of money and it lets people dream about that big win. That’s all that they are good for. Besides, the money goes to good use.

I think of them as a voluntary tax that I simply refuse to pay.

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

anonemouse said:
I could argue that if you look at stats, of course 50% of the numbers drawn will be odd on average. Half the numbers will be high, and half will be low. If you flip a coin, on average it will be heads half of the time.

ahh so then it's not a smart thing to play all 6 even numbers !
So although all numbers have an equal chance of being drawn
some combinations are more likely on average than others!!

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

Cinema Face said:
Joining a pool or a syndicate increases your chances of winning but you have to share those winning with the other people in the pool so the expected return stays the same.

These tracker and wheeler systems are just there to fool stupid people because the game is totally random (as random as humanly possible) so there’s no pattern to be drawn from a totally random event.

If your office pool does not use a wheeling system then they most certainly
are not maximizing their chances. The probability of guessing 6/6 correctly is not the same
as the probability of guesing 6/9 whether the event is random or not. The people who use
wheeling systems may know something that you don't.

Fred Zed · Dec 26, 2008

Fred Zed said:
If your office pool does not use a wheeling system then they most certainly
are not maximizing their chances. The probability of guessing 6/6 correctly is not the same
as the probability of guesing 6/9 whether the event is random or not. The people who use
wheeling systems may know something that you don't.

5/7 + B super 7 tonight, played $10.00 worth
4/7 = 1 line
3/7+b=2 lines
-----------------
Refund = $134.00
-------------------------------
Actual : 4-25-30-31-33-34-37 Bonus =11
I have : 4-11-12-30-31-33-37

Thanks to a short key number wheel that I used.

gentle_lover · Dec 26, 2008

Fred Zed said:
5/7 + B super 7 tonight, played $10.00 worth
4/7 = 1 line
3/7+b=2 lines
-----------------
Expected refund = $134.00
-------------------------------
Actual : 4-25-30-31-33-34-37 Bonus =11
I have : 4-11-12-30-31-33-37

Thanks to a short key number wheel that I used.

can you post the link to the key number wheel and how to use it on here, Fred?

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