CupidS Escorts
Toronto Escorts

house's edge on blackjack

1HandInMyPocket

Unoffical Capital One rep
Mar 2, 2002
1,565
0
36
Mirror Universe
hello,

I know the basics of blackjack, however can not figure out how the house has an edge in blackjack. For example, if the dealer draws to 17 and the player plays in the same manner than the odds of winning would be 50 correct? Now if the dealer has a blackjack he/she automatically wins (payout of 1-1), but if the players has a blackjack then they would have a payout of 3-2. There are no ante bets in blackjack that don't get a payout like in 3-card poker. Mathematically with the above info, the player should have an edge in the long-run. But obviously I am missing some facts. So what am I missing and how does it give the house an edge.

I do understand in other games the house has an edge (vig) based on not paying out the proper payout odds.

Thanks,
1Hand
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,613
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
The house edge is that the players go first and often bust.

The players' edge is that BJ pays 3:2, you can double down, split pairs, vary the bet, stay on 12-16, hit soft 17, move to other tables, and leave when you are up.
 

1HandInMyPocket

Unoffical Capital One rep
Mar 2, 2002
1,565
0
36
Mirror Universe
thanks to everyone, but I think spinnerbait gave me the best answer to what I was looking for. I still haven't decided if I wanted to try BJ again after some early negative experiences. But I do like to know how the casino has an edge on the player before I play a game.
 

hunter001

Almost Done.
Jul 10, 2006
8,636
0
0
1HandInMyPocket said:
Mathematically with the above info, the player should have an edge in the long-run.
The house's edge is they never leave the table. In the long-run that house is always there and the "player" has usually self destructed with the ups and downs of the game.

Free drinks are other distractions don't hurt either.
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,613
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
KBear said:
tie goes to the dealer. When you are going to have a card count of between 15 - 21, a tie going to the dealer is a big advantage.
Tie does not go to the dealer.
A tie is a push and the bet can be removed, changed, or stay.
It is not possible to have a tie at 15 or 16 since the dealer must hit.
 

Ranger68

New member
Mar 17, 2003
3,665
0
0
Spinnerbait said it perfectly.
The house has the edge because the on a tie *where both player and dealer have busted*, the dealer wins. That is, the player always goes first, and *automatically loses* when be busts, no matter what the dealer subsequently does.
This is the entire source of the house edge, when playing perfect "book" strategy. Of course, any time a player does NOT play perfect book strategy, they give a bigger percentage to the house. This is not a small number - most players play far off perfect strategy.
Counting cards is the only way to swing the edge in a player's favour - playing proper split and double-down strategy is merely part of book strategy, and cannot swing the odds in the player's favour.
 

Dawgger

Active member
Jan 3, 2005
4,578
0
36
The house deals to up to seven spots,odds are not all of the seven spots will win.Some may break (lose),some may push, some may not beat or tie the dealers hand, and some may win.One positive scenario for the players vs two negative and one neutral.
 

homonger

I'm not really back
Oct 27, 2001
5,188
0
0
Both of these advantages for the house have been mentioned already, but they are worth repeating.

Because the house acts last in blackjack, they essentially win all ties on busts. If you bust, you lose automatically, even if the house subsequently busts. This is essentially the only statistical edge the house has, but it is a significant one. They can still win if they bust, but you can't.

The other advantage of the house is the fact they have an endless supply of money and this allows them to weather any short term variance. This huge amount of money allows them to grind out a profit, even though blackjack has one of the thinnest house edges of any game. Even if you play basic strategy perfectly, the house still has a slight edge, and as mentioned, most people do not know how to play basic strategy perfectly.

Another little trap that most people are unaware of, is that basic strategy changes slightly depending on the game or the house rules. Basic strategy in a single deck or double deck game is a little different than a 4 to 8 deck game, for example. It is also a little different depending on whether the house allows surrender or if they stand or hit on soft 17.

Whatever you do, never play a blackjack game that pays any less than 3:2 on a blackjack. Taking that away from you gives the house a much greater advantage.

All of this stuff is why I gave up on blackjack and now play poker instead.
 

Duff

Quick Shot...
Jun 29, 2002
202
0
0
Toronto
Also, with the new dealing machines, the cards that were just delt and collected could come back onto the table the next round making is almost imposible to keep track of how many high cards have been played over the last "x" number of hands... I try and stay away from those casinos that only use the automatic dealing machines..

Basic strategy is the best (regardless of single deck or multiple decks, the difference is really minimal). Go online and find yourself a chart and learn it, play it and stick to it. Don't let your insticts get the best of you.

Otherwise, as my dealer in Vegas told me... "No matter how much you win, I'll win at the end of the night".. So I took her back to my room to win some of the losses back.. hehehe.. It's cheaper then most SP's on here.. ;)
 

JEFF247

New member
Feb 23, 2004
1,816
0
0
Finger Lakes, NY
www.XXXand.US
The house has a small edge if a player plays using basic strategy. They have a BIG edge because most people don't use basic strategy. The other edge goes to the house with betting. Most people sit there all day placing the same bet. Unless you use a progressive betting strategy (with the casinos money) you are doomed to lose.
 

jagga

Banned
Jul 11, 2006
7
0
0
some basic strategy of bj

may be you will be able to find some basic strategy of bj and increase your edge by playing online, where you will be offered a signup bonus.basic strategy could be found at
http://www.gamblersspot.com
 

goodandkind

Active member
Aug 26, 2003
194
76
28
the biggest edge is that u bust first they take your money also the fact that they have an endless supply of money and can just wear u down
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,613
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
automorph said:
http://www.pokersourceonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13435

"I stopped by there while at the Ex this weekend, and it was about 15 tables of 5/10 and 10/20. No NL. Stakes were a little high for my blood, so I was going to play blackjack, but upon seeing that the only bets you could make were 1x and 2x, and that ties go to the House, I was outta there pretty quick.

Don't casinos already make enough without unfair rules that make it 'Charity'? Yikes."

Maybe they changed but CNE DID have tie goes to house.....
I have never seen it but apparently they do have some tables there where tie goes to the house supposedly for charity.
Why the fuck would anybody choose to play at a table where they lose a tie when they can play at a table where a tie is a push?
There are plenty of charities and worthy causes to give to and I see no point in playing blackjack like this, unless it is at a stag and I just want to donate some more cash.
Even if I liked their alleged charity, I'd rather win the cash and just give it to them.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7221
"Don't accidentally sit at the "Charity Blackjack" tables they have where ties go to the house."
 

ftafreedom

New member
Oct 5, 2007
1
0
0
There are a ton of factors that determine the house edge in Blackjack.....Most being, rules, options, limits, and player knowledge. I work in the gaming industry and I can tell you that its a losing battle. The best chance you have of winning is to know "pefect strategy"; and "perfect strategy" varies depending on the rules and/or the amount of decks being used. If you play perfect strategy everytime then you can expect the house edge to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 0.5%. Practical BJ...is what most people play makes the house edge around 2%. If you know perfect statedgy for the game your playing and you learn a few tricks you can actually beat the game.....Its not as tough as you'd think to make money but its very long and tedious...... Play good basic stratedy...you can find them all over the net. Bring it to the table, as visual aids are allowed. Also, one of the best things you can do is find a dealer who is brand new. They often make mistakes in the players favour and often goes undetected by gaming staff........if a payout mistake is noticed and they ask for the money back...give it back. You don't want to be kicked out, or worse.... Once you start playing the game a bit you will be able to find the new and weak dealers. If there and dealing very slow and look confused, thats the table you want to play on.

Good Luck..!!
 

Malibook

New member
Nov 16, 2001
4,613
2
0
Paradise
www.yourtraveltickets.com
The best way to win at Blackjack is obviously to know how to play but I think the key is that you have to have the option of having several tables that are not too busy to choose from.
If there is just the odd seat available at a couple of tables you have very little chance of finding a good spot and table plus the minimum will be higher.
You have to find a table where people know how to play and where there is a pleasant atmosphere.
The BJ gods hate sore miserable losers.
Quite often you will not find a good spot on your first pick.
You also want to have a low minimum and a large spread to the maximum.
I like to have at least 30 times the minimum bet to play with and preferably 50 times.
Bet the minimum to get a feel for the table and when things are going bad then step it up when you are on a good streak.
People often go up but don't know when to quit.
If you are up, make sure you leave with some of it.
 

wonkyknee

Active member
Jan 20, 2006
3,499
18
38
Once again...

Malibook said:
The house edge is that the players go first and often bust.
.

2nd house edge is:

"The House" plays mindlessly with no deviation from its basic strategy.


Unlike many gamblers who claim to know basic strategy but deviate by forgetting, getting discouraged, getting emotional, not having enough money, often shying from splits and double downs.....basically not doing what they are supposed to.
 
Toronto Escorts