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bee eh said:
guaranteed bullshit...sorry
It sure is a good site if you know how to use it
but there is always Quick Picks for those who have no faith in their ability
to put together a decent combo.
There is a wealth of stats at the site
for those who like to wheel their numbers!
 

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tersey said:
If selection of numbers in a lottery are random, how can anything but a quick pick the way to go.
Those lottery balls don't have any reason or logic do they?
Even with random events - some events have a higher probability than others...that is true i m o, that's why if you have the time to sift through the stats you are better off using your own numbers. But this is all about entertainment, you do whatever you think works best for you. For me personally my on numbers almost always
work better than QPs. I have noticed that with super 7 where almost always the winning lines are mine,
The OLGC generated lines rarely yield more than a free ticket.
 

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poonhunter said:
Wow that site picked numbers (not combos) for the last two draws, amazing i'm going to have to start studying this site and hopefully do a "Happy Dance" :D
Good luck poonhunter. Had good results with this software as well
4/6 (Lottario) the last 2 draws ! 4/6 only pays $20-$30, but hey, that covers the cost of the tickets.
http://netatelier.com/rndLabs/default.aspx
 

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Fred Zed said:
Good luck poonhunter. Had good results with this software as well
4/6 (Lottario) the last 2 draws ! 4/6 only pays $20-$30, but hey, that covers the cost of the tickets.
http://netatelier.com/rndLabs/default.aspx
heres what the help says:

"There is nothing meaningful about the so called hot or cold numbers. You should not bet on the hot numbers because they came out more times in the past and there is no reason to bet on the cold numbers because they came out less frequently and then are going to compensate the deficit in the future.

There is no rational formula to help you win, all Lotto software claiming that is just charlatanism.

Also, there is no magic in choosing numbers based on your children dates of birth, your house address or the last digits of your phone number.

Numbers drawn on a Lotto game are totally random, past events are irrelevant to future events - this is demonstrated in every introductory class to Probabilities Theory.

Random Labs is useful here because it generates unbiaised series of random numbers. Un unbiaised serie is neither better nor worse than a biaised serie, both have an equal probability. The difference is that lots of people choose their numbers based on similar criteria which covers only part of the possible spectrum. For example when you use the birth day you are using numbers in the 1 to 31 range, when you choose hot or cold numbers you are restricting your freedom of choice.

On the other hand, using unbiaised random numbers, your odds of not have to divide a big jackpot with other winners improve. "
 

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hankpank said:
heres what the help says:



There is no rational formula to help you win, all Lotto software claiming that is just charlatanism.

Also, there is no magic in choosing numbers based on your children dates of birth, your house address or the last digits of your phone number.

Numbers drawn on a Lotto game are totally random, past events are irrelevant to future events - this is demonstrated in every introductory class to Probabilities Theory.
Read this article, Lotto numbers are NOT totally random-
indeed when the sample size is large as in Keno
some weak patterns can be identified:
http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Pattern_Analysis_of_MegaMillions_Lottery_Numbers
 

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Fred Zed said:
Read this article, Lotto numbers are NOT totally random-
indeed when the sample size is large as in Keno
some weak patterns can be identified:
http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Pattern_Analysis_of_MegaMillions_Lottery_Numbers

I don't know man...its just randomness and chaos...you never know with these things...even if you say like that other site that there is a pattern over the past 5 years..how do you know over the next 5 years that this pattern does not show anymore, i.e. randomness over a longer period of time...also why does everyone keep saying that chances of winning are ~ 1/13,000,000? I thought its 49x48x47x46x45x44 = 1/10,068,347,520??
 

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hankpank said:
I don't know man...its just randomness and chaos...you never know with these things...even if you say like that other site that there is a pattern over the past 5 years..how do you know over the next 5 years that this pattern does not show anymore, i.e. randomness over a longer period of time...also why does everyone keep saying that chances of winning are ~ 1/13,000,000? I thought its 49x48x47x46x45x44 = 1/10,068,347,520??
I think the 649 odds are correct:~ 1/13,000,000
What the article suggests is there might be some marginal advantage
to studying the stats, personally I found that to be true - meaning to say
sometimes that can help you recover your $10 or $20 bet or whatever, but if you are looking to win the JP that's a different story ofcourse.
I think perhaps 99.9 % of 649 bets don't get any money refunded.
 

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The truth about forecasting the winning combination

Fred Zed said:
I think the 649 odds are correct:~ 1/13,000,000
What the article suggests is there might be some marginal advantage
to studying the stats, personally I found that to be true - meaning to say
sometimes that can help you recover your $10 or $20 bet or whatever, but if you are looking to win the JP that's a different story ofcourse.
I think perhaps 99.9 % of 649 bets don't get any money refunded.
Well, the draws are mutually exclusive events and there is no connection between a current draw and one or more previous draws. Interestingly, one may notice that often one or two numbers from Super-7 draw on Friday appear in 6/49 draw on Saturday and similarly one or two number drawn on Wednesday in 6/49 draw are drawn on Friday in Super-7. This could not be interpreted as showing a relationship or having some predictive power.

Regarding someone winning a jackpot or 1st prize because one did some computations, I would like to say that it is something like this. Train a monkey to throw darts. Write numbers 1 to 49 on the dart board. Let the monkey throw six darts. Play the combination of numbers hit by the darts. I assure you that the probability of that combination winning the jackpot is the same as a combination chosen by looking or even analyzing the data on earlier draws!

In fact there is no way to forecast the winning combination ... and if someone wins, it is just a coincidence that is popularly called luck! As far as $10-$20 wins are concerned, whether one sees the past data or just plays some combinations of random numbers, one may win $10-$20, more so, if one keeps playing the same combinations again and again!
 

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Kaam_Guru said:
Well, the draws are mutually exclusive events and there is no connection between a current draw and one or more previous draws. Interestingly, one may notice that often one or two numbers from Super-7 draw on Friday appear in 6/49 draw on Saturday and similarly one or two number drawn on Wednesday in 6/49 draw are drawn on Friday in Super-7. This could not be interpreted as showing a relationship or having some predictive power.

As far as $10-$20 wins are concerned, whether one sees the past data or just plays some combinations of random numbers, one may win $10-$20, more so, if one keeps playing the same combinations again and again!
About this there will never be any agreement. Some of us swear that it is possible to get one or more extra numbers correct by reviewing the
stats...and yes within a 16 months period I had 5/6 once on 649 and 4/6 about 3 times.
Last Saturday I had 4/6 on Lottario --2 lines.
Previous Saturday 4/6 Ont49
Last Friday 4/7 ..Super7
Last Wed 6/7 ..ONT Keno
Before I started reviewing stats, I never had more than 3/6.

I am not a heavy player and I am not a very lucky person.
From another lottery site here is how someone explained it:

Every lottery is based in some form finite combinatorial or permutational selection. That finite set of numbers follows a pattern that can be described mathematically, logically, structurally, numerically, and quantumly; all of which are well known patterns of the Universe. Quantum Lottery Mechanics, a new field of Combinatorics, says that if you randomly sample from a known finite set of combinatorial or permutational items, you must have within that sample set a pattern or sub-pattern of combinations or permutations that are fractally similar to the whole set of finite combinations or permutations. This is closely related to the Combinatorial Farctalization I've posted before. Simply put, no matter how random something may appear to be, there will always be some kind of pattern in the Chaos. Order is a subset of Chaos. Anytime you create a subset of Chaos, you in essence create Order; it can not be avoided. There will some pattern even when you select seemingly at random from that Order until the Order is released back into Chaos. Keep in mind that Quantum Lottery Mechanics does not say precisely what the pattern is, it just accurately describes what it should be like.
 

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Hi Fred, I don’t want to take this discussion into the hardcore statistical analysis but would like to mention that predicting outcome of a random draw is more a matter of belief than scientific analysis. By definition, the random numbers are those that can’t be predicted and if they can be predicted then they are “not random”. If a predicted random number appears in the draw, then it is just a coincidence or the drawing procedure is biased.

I would admit that the paragraph quoted at the end is a nice and brief statement on the use of "Theory of Chaos" without using the jargon. Yet, what is said may be researchable in theory but its practical utility is nil from the point of view of predicting winning lottery combinations.

On lighter side (no offence intended) I would like to tell that in more than one countries many times I have come across people who adopted funny methods for playing legal or illegal lotteries (usually pick-3 type of lotteries). These methods include, but not limited to, dreams, asking very young children or some mentally deranged person, words used by somebody in abusing them, slipping while walking, stars peeping from clouds, etc. My office driver swears by God that he won a lottery because he dreamt going to the company president's residence, he played residence number 342 and won. Another lottery winner told me that he won the lottery because he asked a mentally deranged old man who, in reply, pointed towards a monkey climbing a tree, so he added 118 for the monkey, 10 for the tree and 37 for climbing, getting the would be winning number as 165. None of such guys ever told me that how many times they failed to win when they played the numbers predicted using similar methods!
 

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I have had 5 numbers on 7 different occasions in the past 2 years.....I keep telling myself it is only a matter of time.
 

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jimmyt said:
I have had 5 numbers on 7 different occasions in the past 2 years.....I keep telling myself it is only a matter of time.
God bless you. Don't forget me humble guy when giving away money to friends and I hope to get a gift of at least $50K from you because the coming Super-7 draw is estimated at $22 Million.
 

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Kaam_Guru said:
By definition, the random numbers are those that can’t be predicted and if they can be predicted then they are “not random”. If a predicted random number appears in the draw, then it is just a coincidence or the drawing procedure is biased.

I would admit that the paragraph quoted at the end is a nice and brief statement on the use of "Theory of Chaos" without using the jargon. Yet, what is said may be researchable in theory but its practical utility is nil from the point of view of predicting winning lottery combinations.
You miss my point. You are not predicting the specific
winning combo ( that is impossible to do) , but a group of numbers where the winning combo ( or a good part part of it) might be.
Whether it's coincidence, chaos theory, or delusional thinking is not the issue .
What counts is someone is getting good results and by that I don't mean winning the jackpot but getting some of your ticket money refunded
which 90% + of tickets purchased fail to do.
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Markov Chain .... a possible solution!!!

Fred Zed said:
You miss my point ............
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I agree that one may have some combinations (3/6 or 4/6) that may have relatively higher probability of being drawn. I misunderstood the point and commented on the basis of 6/6 result.

Having shown my reservations regarding predicting outcome of a lottery draw, I would like to mention that I tried to use Markov Chains to model the behaviour of lottery results considering each draw as a “state” of a “system”. The major problem that I faced was determination of “transition probabilities”, i.e., the probabilities of a state changing to the next state. The First Order Markov Chain did not yield satisfactory results and the higher order chains appeared to be very complex from the point of view of developing an algorithm. I tried to work on higher order Markov Chains but earning my bread and butter did not leave sufficient time to continue to work on these higher order chains. Moreover, what discouraged me from conducting further research was lack of confidence in the hypothesis that the outcome of a lottery can be predicted using Markov Model. It may be interesting to note that children's games such as Snakes & Ladders and Candy Land are represented exactly by Markov chains.

I would like to add that it is possible to develop scientific statistical models for predicting lottery outcomes on statistical grounds but the predicted outcome itself would be probabilistic and not deterministic.
 

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Kaam_Guru said:
I agree that one may have some combinations (3/6 or 4/6) that may have relatively higher probability of being drawn. I misunderstood the point and commented on the basis of 6/6 result.



I would like to add that it is possible to develop scientific statistical models for predicting lottery outcomes on statistical grounds but the predicted outcome itself would be probabilistic and not deterministic.
Thanks. I am glad we are now on the same page. Regarding stastistical
models I think there was group of UK professors who won the UK
National Lottery (the equivalent of our 649) using statistial models.
But apparently it took them 10 years of trying.
 

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Fred Zed said:
Thanks. I am glad we are now on the same page. Regarding statistical models I think there was group of UK professors who won the UK National Lottery (the equivalent of our 649) using statistical models.
But apparently it took them 10 years of trying.
It took them 10 years, they won once only and we don't know that how many times they played and how many combinations they played each time ... so the outcome of the model was very probabilistic with very low probability of realization of predicted result. The instance may be just a coincidence and does not establish the validity of the prediction model from the point of view of its utility for lottery players. Also, there are hundreds of people in the world who have won very very big jackpots as "once in life time event" without having any prediction models. So what is so big if a group of professors won a big jackpot once in the life time! And, we do not know how many groups of professors or otherwise statistical modelers have lost billions of dollars in the past (several centuries) and the process continues.

In fact, this along with the implied or explicit assumption on which all such models are based ... "The outcome of a draw is influenced by the outcome(s) of previous draw(s)", are two of the major reasons that have discouraged me from constructing lottery results predicting models.
 
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