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pblues

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Fred Zed said:
IBM runs the same kind of sweatshop that Microsoft does. They bleed the young talent dry. Much of the hiring is done on a contract basis through Kelly Services and the $$$ isn't that great.

IBM sales are handled by a company called Lenovo. Although the product line still rocks, the customer service leaves a lot to be desired.
 

AG82

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pblues said:
IBM runs the same kind of sweatshop that Microsoft does. They bleed the young talent dry. Much of the hiring is done on a contract basis through Kelly Services and the $$$ isn't that great.

IBM sales are handled by a company called Lenovo. Although the product line still rocks, the customer service leaves a lot to be desired.

Where in the world do you get your info? I'm not even going try to explain the ibm org chart and business model to you but you got a very skewed vision of the company.


PS Lenovo bought ibm's thinkpad business last year. they are ina 5 year agreement to phase out the ibm thinkpad branding, and in 5 years time, it will just plainly be lenovo. Anither hint for you, IBM's business is not solely based on thinkpad line of products
 

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I thought the main part of IBM was support and services now?
IBM's business is still in big iron, iSeries, eSeries, xSeries and pSeries. The Thinkpad business was a loss leader.
 

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pblues said:
IBM runs the same kind of sweatshop that Microsoft does. They bleed the young talent dry.

Just a commentary, at least my personal experience, try working for a Canadian Bank (RBC & CIBC). Talk about companies that bleed their employees dry. Except in their case they spit you out like a dried-out-lemon. And RBC's commercial about helping athletes, (subliminal advertisement that they are a responsible & generous corporate entity) that they are running on TV, what a crook of shit. Check our Banking Statement for all the fees being paid by you the Client, than you will have a sense of corporate behaviour.
 

Fred Zed

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AG82 said:
Where in the world do you get your info? I'm not even going try to explain the ibm org chart and business model to you but you got a very skewed vision of the company.
I think there is some truth to what Yuri is saying, IBM hire non-core staff ( accounting, customer service etc on contract via employment agencies ).
But I think some of the jobs being discussed in the article will be permanent,
long-term. During the nineties I was a non-core staffer at IBM for nearly 2yrs and I was hired via the agency that Yuri stated. Bear in mind even if you come
to IBM via contract and you prove yourself to be a good performer you can get hired permanent.
 
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People who put in 20+yr service and got the package in the name of business realignment. Source work to temps and agencies or overseas.

But then that's corporate North America has no respect for loyal productive employees. All about bottomline.
 

AG82

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Fred Zed said:
I think there is some truth to what Yuri is saying, IBM hire non-core staff ( accounting, customer service etc on contract via employment agencies ).
Bit I think some of the jobs being discussed in the article will be permanent,
long-term. During the nineties I was a non-core staffer at IBM for nearly 2yrs and I was hired via the agency that Yuri stated. Bear in mind even if you come
to IBM via contract and you prove yourself to be a good performer you can get hired permanent.
Fred,

Didn't say that there was no truth to what yuri said. but you could say that about a lot of big companies as well. Hiring full time and contract positions is based solely on their budgest. I wa shired as a contract employee at a big payroll outsourcing firm. moved on, and now I'm full time at somewhere else. It's what fits the company, not the other way around.

It's just that most of what was said had a slight tangent to it an erronous staements. If he is stating facts as he belive it is, then that fact is 100% wrong.

ag82
 

canucklehead

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Larry_Fyne said:
IBM's business is still in big iron, iSeries, eSeries, xSeries and pSeries. The Thinkpad business was a loss leader.
I agree they sell the server side of things but the main part of their income is from the service and support contracts.
 

canucklehead

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OK i was at IBM today and had a break down of their business model while in their super secret software lab at Warden and 7 ... nice campus/lab ...... 18% software sales 48% service and consulting and then 34 % hardware.... they plan on dropping hardware sales down to 28 % within 5 years and increase software sales by + 6 % or greater.
 

WhaWhaWha

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When I worked at IBM the Warden and 7 Site was mainly for assets storage and disposal. Assetsbeing the quipment that IBM uses for itself andnot for resale.

AG82 where do you get your info? Lenovo purchased the entire PC division. IBM is phasing out of the PC business in five years.

Larryfyne: The desktops were their lost leaders. Especially the Aptiva line. The rights to the Thinkpads were the main carrot that enticed Lenovo.

IBM is now focusing on software, E-Commerce, vertical markets, and other types of hardware. Their programking division was moving to the Pacific Rim (Sri Lanka, Thailand) and India like so many other Firms, but in a post Tsunami world they are keeping the bids open.

My information? The horses mouth. I still chat with execs on a regular basis. Networking in the long-term as my way of finding my place back in the organization.

I find by the time information goes to press it's often the truth but also often a case of broken telephone or strategic misinformation.
 

canucklehead

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WhaWhaWha said:
When I worked at IBM the Warden and 7 Site was mainly for assets storage and disposal. Assetsbeing the quipment that IBM uses for itself andnot for resale.
Apparently they opened the campus in 2002 to almost no press. The speech mentioned that the Lear Jets never left the ground when it was opened.
 

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canucklehead said:
OK i was at IBM today and had a break down of their business model while in their super secret software lab at Warden and 7 ... nice campus/lab ...... 18% software sales 48% service and consulting and then 34 % hardware.... they plan on dropping hardware sales down to 28 % within 5 years and increase software sales by + 6 % or greater.

IBM looks to cash in on software-as-a-service


http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6042394.html
 

AG82

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WhaWhaWha said:
AG82 where do you get your info? Lenovo purchased the entire PC division. IBM is phasing out of the PC business in five years.
I work there.
 

rama putri

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goodtime said:
But then that's corporate North America has no respect for loyal productive employees. All about bottomline.
Actually, it's the customer that's about the bottom line. Want to blame someone for corporate behaviour? Blame the customer.
 
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