Police Worries......

There's always the risk of a bust... but put some perspective to it. You probably have a much higher risk of getting hit by a car driven by Indiana coming out of Sabrina's parking lot then you have of getting caught in a KW bust.

lmao

Or you have the better risk of being hit by a car while trying to find Skylar's new location. See previous thread. LOL. By the way, I hope to get my car back this weekend.

CUTTERBUCK said:

Or you have the better risk of being hit by a car while trying to find Skylar's new location. See previous thread. LOL. By the way, I hope to get my car back this weekend.

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Cutterbuck, you have to love a guy that will LOL at his own misfortune.
That becomes the ultimate ROTFLMFAO!!!

It's a bust, not just ANY bust.

calloway said:

....then you have of getting caught in a KW bust.

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I've been caught in a FEW of KW's finest busts.....not...that there's anything WRONG with that !!!

Incall/outcall bust factors?

hammertm said:

The #1 reason why i do outcalls only.

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Not a legal eagle, so why is the risk of a bust higher in incalls than outcalls? I always thought it was safer at a discreet incall.

cigar said:

Not a legal eagle, so why is the risk of a bust higher in incalls than outcalls? I always thought it was safer at a discreet incall.

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You've just mentioned the key word... "discreet"

If incalls remain discreet and cause no problems with the neighbours... the chances of a bust are minimized. Most busts are caused by someone complaining. My non-legal understanding of incalls is they are illegal under the definition of "common bawdy house" and "solicitation". Outcalls are much safer... other than the obvious fact that everyone in the neighbourhood and apartment complex knows you're a pervert... right Hammertm?

Legality of Incalls vs Outcalls

The reason outcalls with an independent escort (a woman visiting you in your own home) are not a problem is because prostitution (exchanging sexual services for money) is not illegal in Canada. There are a number of activities related to prostitution that are illegal, and it is those activities that pose a risk to engaging in incalls or other activities.

For example, communication for the purposes of prostitution in public is illegal, therefore soliciting or negotiating with a street-walker is illegal (in addition to stupid) (btw, for the purposes of this section of the Criminal Code, the inside of your car is a public space). Also, operating, being a resident of, or being found in, a "common bawdy house" (ie brothel) is illegal - that is what makes incalls illegal. Finally, living off the avails of prostitution is illegal - that is what makes agencies, regardless of whether they do incalls or outcalls illegal, they are profiting from prostitution (for the purposes of this section, it is not illegal for an independent woman to profit from her own activities, it is illegal for another party (ie the agencie's mgmt) to profit from the act of prostitution).

For an independent escort there is no need to engage in the "paying for time only" charade...there is no crime in providing sexual services in exchange for money.

What may become an issue is whether the internet is a "public space". Therefore, if a woman is advertising on the internet, is she communicating for the purposes of prostitution in a public space"?

From a practical perspective I agree with Calloway's comments re "discrete" incalls. I am not aware of any instances locally where the police raided an incall operating in a private residence.

However, there have been raids of mps. So if you are in an mp that has become notorious for allowing "high mileage" you might want to consider whether you want to run the risk of being accused of being "found in" a common bawdy house, when the police kick down the doors.

Also, several years ago they did target several agencies, presumably using the living off the avails provisions of the Criminal Code.

I stand to be corrected, and welcome any comments with an opposing point of view, but my impression has been that in this community, and others like London, the police tend to get most interested in this industry when they believe they can link a particular agency or mp to organized crime (ie bikers).

All so Confusing

This is one topic which the rules seem to always change. I always thought that Outcalls were to be safer (in the legal sense), and that licensed MP's that do not allow high mileage were also safer (in the legal sense). I only go to the licensed MP's use Outcall's, and only do the occassional incall where I know and feel it to be safe.

I think that no matter how you want to view it, legalities are never going to get in the way of a bust going down, your name in the paper, and you doing either some time or probation. It's all about publicity and timing. Timing is usually near elections or when public opinion about local politicos/cops is down. Publicity is the pathetic way local papers, radio and tv "news" portray it. If you get your nuts caught in a vice bust in Waterloo or Wellington counties, you're screwed. The powers that be have already decided how it's going to play out from the time the bust commences, to how much time each individual will do. This includes MPA's, owner(s), and hobbyists found inside. If you have previous charges on your record, it makes it even better for the numbers of what your sentence or punishment will be. It's a win-win-win for the cops/policitians/local press.

Wow. What a downer that was! I think I'm getting a massage tonight at the dodgiest incall I can find.

Time?

Has anyone ever heard of someone actually serving time for being a "found in"? I kinda doubt it...geez you can practically kill someone these days and be given conditional sentence for first offence....

to put it simply...incalls are illegal and outcalls are not...

Choron's Explanation is Best

With respect to whether anybody has actually done "time" for being a "found-in", I would agree that it is highly unlikely. The problem is that a criminal record carries consequences that are more severe than "time". I'll bet many of us could do a 30 day intermittent sentence (weekends) - and it would be a mere inconvenience. The hassels with travelling to the US that are associated with having a criminal record, and which could, under certain circumstances, last a life-time, would be a much greater consequence.

On a related note, my recollection is that several years ago there was an operation where Waterloo Regional Police Service busted several MPs and did make some arrests for "found-ins". I think the operation went on for several months, involved undercover operations, and the whole thing resulted in a half-dozen guys getting diversion "john school", and about the same number of women getting the same - an excellent use of tax-payers money.

I think the problems arise when there is a constant stream of guys stumbing down the hall muttering, "What an ass. What an absolutely A1 ass. What AN ABSOF*CKINLOOOOTLY GORGEOUS FARKIN ASS... OMFG THAT WAS AN ASS..."

Guys, outcalls are ok for Sp's to come to you but you guys are not allowed to call that is illegal if you think when your calling your getting laid.( <- said by officer to me) Maybe I could be wrong but I do know he told me that.

It is perfectly ok IF you are considering them as a paid companion.

Also read someone where that an Sp can have an in call location but can not perform any sexual acts in her place.

My suspicion is that rule has been broken once or twice

haha we all know different.

Stoo said:

It's nice know that I am so GD irrisistable that these girls can't resist me when they come to see me. I feel for you guys that pay all that coin to sit and sip tea....

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Calling for sex...

Is not illegal - communicating for the purposes of prostitution is not illegal unless it is done in a public spot. I know this will come as a shock but some police officers are not particularly well versed in the law, particularly in certain areas (Charter rights, adult entertainment, etc.). An even bigger shock, sometimes police officers are simply full of sh#& and either deliberately misrepresent the truth or speak without having the slightest clue about what the truth is, or some combination thereof.

With respect to incalls...I agree, having men to pay to come to your place, sit on the couch, have a coffee and play cards is not illegal - I'm not sure its a viable business model, but it is certainly not a criminal act. However if a number of visits by undercover officers / informants demonstrate that upon attending said incall, the discussion immediately turns to sex and what types of services are available/desired, I think you are going to have a hard time keeping the judge from laughing when you tell him/her that you were only paying for "companionship" - the judge will look at all the facts and determine if there is enough evidence to conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the place in question was operating as a "common bawdy house".