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You sir should also consult the history books. Youll be shocked to hear that after the soviet union fell, the USA promised not to advance Nato to Russias borders. Guess what Nato did. Should Russia simply lie down?
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I don't think Putin cares about NATO expansion via admission of
Baltic nations Finland and Sweden as new members. It is Ukraine,
Moldova and Georgia that Russia has problems with. After the war
Russia won't likely see Ukraine joining NATO as much a security
concern as it was before the invasion. An interesting question to
emerge is whether NATO will want a broken Ukraine to be an ally.
 
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But you are arguing for Trump, so you are clearly against having "adults in the room".
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How could anyone think of Trump as anything but a child. The evidence is just so much.
 
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TomFord1980 said:
You sir should also consult the history books. Youll be shocked to hear that after the soviet union fell, the USA promised not to advance Nato to Russias borders. Guess what Nato did. Should Russia simply lie down?
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So.....are you saying that NATO/USA is a threat to invade Russia? And, to be clear, Ukraine did not start talking about joining NATO until 2014. Now....what happened in 2014, you might ask? Could it be Russia invading it and taking Crimea? Up until that point, Russia and Ukraine were fairly friendly. That changed when Ukraine started making moves or comments about joining the European Union.

So....should Russia simply lie down? YES! They've made this mess by trying to bully Ukraine. Ukraine is sovereign nation that should be allowed to do what is in its best self-interest. So, you can continue to parrot Russian propaganda, or recognize the fact that countries are allowed to follow their own path.

The point you seem to miss is that NATO is a chiefly a defensive alliance. You attack me, and my mates will come and fuck you up. They have done limited offensive stuff, mostly no-fly zones in Kosovo and Iraq. They have never attempted to invade Russia or any of its former satellites.
 
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silentkisser said:
So.....are you saying that NATO/USA is a threat to invade Russia? And, to be clear, Ukraine did not start talking about joining NATO until 2014. Now....what happened in 2014, you might ask? Could it be Russia invading it and taking Crimea? Up until that point, Russia and Ukraine were fairly friendly. That changed when Ukraine started making moves or comments about joining the European Union.

So....should Russia simply lie down? YES! They've made this mess by trying to bully Ukraine. Ukraine is sovereign nation that should be allowed to do what is in its best self-interest. So, you can continue to parrot Russian propaganda, or recognize the fact that countries are allowed to follow their own path.

The point you seem to miss is that NATO is a chiefly a defensive alliance. You attack me, and my mates will come and fuck you up. They have done limited offensive stuff, mostly no-fly zones in Kosovo and Iraq. They have never attempted to invade Russia or any of its former satellites.
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BTW the Russians know that too. They have satellites and they know Nato is entirely set up in defensive positions.
 
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Sadly Emperor Pupienus only ruled for 99 days. He ruled during the Roman Empire's shittiest year;238 AD.

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silentkisser said:
So.....are you saying that NATO/USA is a threat to invade Russia? And, to be clear, Ukraine did not start talking about joining NATO until 2014. Now....what happened in 2014, you might ask? Could it be Russia invading it and taking Crimea? Up until that point, Russia and Ukraine were fairly friendly. That changed when Ukraine started making moves or comments about joining the European Union.

So....should Russia simply lie down? YES! They've made this mess by trying to bully Ukraine. Ukraine is sovereign nation that should be allowed to do what is in its best self-interest. So, you can continue to parrot Russian propaganda, or recognize the fact that countries are allowed to follow their own path.

The point you seem to miss is that NATO is a chiefly a defensive alliance. You attack me, and my mates will come and fuck you up. They have done limited offensive stuff, mostly no-fly zones in Kosovo and Iraq. They have never attempted to invade Russia or any of its former satellites.
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Ah ok, that was great after world war 2 and during the cold war. However the USA endless wars are catching up with them. If the attack Russia, they will have to answer to the BRICs alliance who are ditching the USA dollar as reserve currency. This is a big deal. Very reminiscent of how countries were aligning together in the world wars.
 
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TomFord1980 said:
Ah ok, that was great after world war 2 and during the cold war. However the USA endless wars are catching up with them. If the attack Russia, they will have to answer to the BRICs alliance who are ditching the USA dollar as reserve currency. This is a big deal. Very reminiscent of how countries were aligning together in the world wars.
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Maybe it is my wishful thinking. BRICS alliance is also the reason I believe
the threat of WWIII is overrated. If Russia escalate the war beyond Ukraine
it could lose its alliance with and support from China and India. WWIII will
be devastating to the economy of BRICS nations.
 
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oil&gas said:
Maybe it is my wishful thinking. BRICS alliance is also the reason I believe
the threat of WWIII is overrated. If Russia escalate the war beyond Ukraine
it could lose its alliance with and support from China and India. WWIII will
be devastating to the economy of BRICS nations.
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I dont tuink BRICS has a choice here. Take a look at US debt. Their only option left is a major war to pillage other countries.
 
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There are still some Republicans with morals, not many but a few.

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